Tile Fish/Grouper/Rose Fish

[Garrett]

Concerning anglers claiming massacre and devastation to bottom fish such as tile fish and grouper: The fastest way to have the Govt. interfere with regulations and quotas is to post things on the web with claims of slaughtering fish. When we get notified next year that the tiles, grouper, and other bottom fish are regulated even further you can thank yourself. The biologist can find out where you fished and how many you caught and use this information against you by simply going online. Not to mention telling everyone with a boat and rod where to catch these fish does not help matters. I am in no way trying to start a war, but be aware that bragging can take place on a little bit more of a conservative level.

Garrett

[Chumlord]

Yeah we should probably wrap up Tidalfish.

[carey]

the limits are already strict enough, and usually all the guys that post deep drop reports in both nc and va are very conscientious of the fishing regulations and only keep there legal limit.

[Rebel]

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
Yeah we should probably wrap up Tidalfish.


Good One, Lou!!

[Miss Christine]

I think the man has a good point...its alot better to say we had a good day
and leave it at that...

[jdolf2]

You don't have to worry about the tidalfish post hurting us the gov't knows what we catch anyways.Charter boat captains have to take a log of everything they catch and then they turn it in to the man.Tidalfish is about posting pics and reports thats probley the main why you are on this site.

[Phishphinder]

Maybe we can go back to what this board was intended for.. Fishing reports and freindly exchange of information.. I know fishing is a little slow right now with the snow and all, but, I'm planning my next fishing trip right now... I plan to hit the mountains for some trout in the next few weeks, and a budy and I are planing a jigging trip to HI.. other than that I'm waiting for the first signs on Shad then hopefully some croker and blues around stingray and windmill..... Two things I can't wait for is late summer cobia, and fishing reds under the docks around singray... One thing I have not done to much is Specs! someone needs to show me were and how to spec fish

Any way ... sorry for turning this thread into fishing talk ;-)

[Capt. Jim Brincefield]

I assume your "comments" are directed at anglers like me who report our catches and post pictures of these fish here on this web site. I do so mainly to attract business to my boat. This is one of the avenues I employ to attract people who may be interested in fishing with me. I pay a fair price for this priviledge. I feed my family with the proceeds of my charter business (plus I work 2 other jubs to supplement a recent downturn in fishing parties). With 2 lifetime posts on Tidalfish - you come here and stir the pot like every other troll?

Just to educate you a bit, both charter and commercial have to fill out a daily catch report that itemizes each and every fish we catch and have it filled out BEFORE we land our fish. This report is submitted to NOAA through NMFS so they already know EXACTLY what we are catching WHETHER WE TELL A SINGLE SOUL WHAT WE ARE CATCHING OR NOT. They monitor the recreational catch through the MRFSS surveys. The job of the NMFS (and other various regulatory agencies) is to monitor the overall catch to ensure we are catching within the sustainable species specific mortality thresholds. Whether or not they are doing their job of ensuring this is quite another argument (which I have also been a vocal part of).

Are you suggesting we not report our catches to NMFS so that we "hide" what we are catching? YEESH...

[yardbird]

Grouper is over rated. I'd rather eat highrise toad. We are having black beans and rice tonight vice the fresh snowie sitting on ice in the refrig.

[foxwind]

Concerning anglers claiming massacre and devastation to bottom fish such as tile fish and grouper: The fastest way to have the Govt. interfere with regulations and quotas is to post things on the web with claims of slaughtering fish. When we get notified next year that the tiles, grouper, and other bottom fish are regulated even further you can thank yourself. The biologist can find out where you fished and how many you caught and use this information against you by simply going online. Not to mention telling everyone with a boat and rod where to catch these fish does not help matters. I am in no way trying to start a war, but be aware that bragging can take place on a little bit more of a conservative level.

Garrett

Oh lord, here we go again.... Always one in the crowd.. I guess we should not post any reports anymore guys and sell our boats.....

[FSHNT]

Looking at the data from last years research, you may have a different answer. Of specimens collected off Va Beach the oldest Tilefish was 22 years old, and the oldest grouper was 24 years old. These fish are territorial and can be caught out of an area. We really need to keep what we need, not what we can.

[Ketchup]

Highrise Toad? :eek: I have heard the the legends of the white, flaky flesh of the Eastern Shore Highrise Toad , but I thought to myself "Deese cannot be true"!! If it's better than Grouper, it must be true, tell us more...:yes:

[saltyfishn]

please go down to hatteras an catch all them dam jacks that are in my way

[tommy1]

Captain Jim PLEASE keep the report coning some of us enjoy the reports and also the pics, these are some real nice fish and one of these days i myself is going to come down and make a trip for these big fish. Thanks:clap::clap::clap::clap: again

[steveo804]

without all the recent reports and advertisments i would have never been able to experience fishing with capt jim on the jil carrire. who cares how we describe afishing trip
one fish or ten fish. a fish killed is killed its part of the sport and a great part. fishing with capt jim is great. nobody goes harder to catch you a fish. his reports are great. and the best part is you dont have to read unless you want to
catch em up
steve

[Rebel]

Concerning anglers claiming massacre and devastation to bottom fish such as tile fish and grouper: The fastest way to have the Govt. interfere with regulations and quotas is to post things on the web with claims of slaughtering fish. When we get notified next year that the tiles, grouper, and other bottom fish are regulated even further you can thank yourself. The biologist can find out where you fished and how many you caught and use this information against you by simply going online. Not to mention telling everyone with a boat and rod where to catch these fish does not help matters. I am in no way trying to start a war, but be aware that bragging can take place on a little bit more of a conservative level.

Garrett

Dude...just go away. This is a fishing board...

[captdavdavis01]

Hey Garret.....fishing was pretty good last week...


http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh291/dusky233fc/groupphoto.jpg


http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh291/dusky233fc/goldentile001-1.jpg


http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh291/dusky233fc/doublebluelines.jpg


I realize it just a matter of time before they shut it down, thats why Im out trying to catch them, not complain about someone else having a great day.


Have a good evening.

Danny

[rgminer]

Recreational MRFSS surveys are useless. Only 4 surveyors for all of coastal MD cannot possibly make their data accurate....but that said....

The OPs comments remind me of something PETA would post. His/Her post count tell me they are very new here...

[rude]

And AAOB


:thumbup:

[ReelCommocean]

He has a good point.

How many of you die hard deep drop guys have seen a recent surge in the number of deep droppers? I think the post about "Drive-by stealing of numbers" is a perfect example of how more and more people are "discovering" this fishery. Think about the VA Beach striper fishery. That has definitely boomed in recent years with tons of out-of-towners sweeping in. Has no one ever drawn the parallel to sites like TF being atleast partially responsible for the increased fishing pressure?

Before you start bashing me, I'm not saying it is necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, but it is an interesting observation. Although not an avid contributor to the site, I have been on TF since '02 and have definitely seen this trend progress with a number of fisheries from the CBBT, to VA Beach striper fishing and deep dropping and the new internet fishing craze offshore jigging. I am by no means saying that these fisheries or tactics are new, but to many anglers who rely on these sites they are new and once they see success posted, they have to get out there to enjoy this "new-to-them" fishery.

Furthermore I think it is highly unlikely that the The Man isn't watching,. There have been stories of guys being investigated for posting pictures of illegal catches. It's just too easy of a way to get a rough idea of the increased pressure on a particular fishery or survey potential illegal catches.

So with internet forums like this introducing new anlgers to a fishery and the ease in which the goverment can survey such activity, I think it is a long shot to say that fishing sites don't atleast slightly influence potential regulations or enforcement of these regulations. I mean even newspapers site fishing forums as credible resources (I have seen this a few times).

Sorry for the long winded response but some food for thought.

[cea]

rember when bluelines was all you want now what happened chest pounders are gonna kill the small guys thanks alot :helpsmilie:

[rbr5e]

the resources needed to target these fish are completely different than those needed to fish inshore. Although becoming more popular, few people by far are targeting them compared to the pressure put on rockfish, flounder, etc... . The issue becomes whether or not we are going to allow regulations to be put in place on well founded research and science or an apparent jump in RECREATIONAL fishing pressure and popularity that may be ultimately beneficial to the fishery. I hate to see huge limits with fillets sitting in freezer only to be thrown away a year later as much as the next guy, but I know for a fact that a cooler full of tile and grouper fillets goes quickly to neighbors, friends, and relatives in most cases.

[MeOff]

cea What's up with your chest pounders B.S.? EVERYTHING that has been posted here is perfectly LEGAL!!!!! The Jil Carrie post you are ripping is a perfect example of a Good Captain putting his clients on fish and being smart enough to use it to draw in future clients. Most of the crew from that trip probably have never seen a fish that big so them wanting some pictures of their success is Expected and adds to their FUN. I thought that was what Fishing was all about FUN and sharing your experience with others only adds to the joy of an awesome day on the water.
Why don't you sit back and enjoy. Stop with the negative potty mouth comments and contribute in a positive way. Try catching some fish and posting a good fishing report it may relieve you of some of your obvious issues with life.

[Striperstan]

Garrett is just making a point. There is no right or wrong here. I know for a fact that NMFS is much more aware of the great fishery we have here and as most of us know have taken steps to extend the South Atlantic Snapper/Grouper Fisheries Management Plan to our area. As a leader in my organization says, "It's not good, it's not bad, it just is."

[racn35]

how much more can you regulate this.........

GROUPERS

[Regulation 4 VAC 20-1120-10 et seq.]

Possession Limit..........................1 per person



CLOSE IT ? I think not......when they outlaw fishing......only US outlaws will fish

[FSHNT]

It will be like our friends to the south. 1 grouper per boat.

[cuhollow]

Concerning anglers claiming massacre and devastation to bottom fish such as tile fish and grouper: The fastest way to have the Govt. interfere with regulations and quotas is to post things on the web with claims of slaughtering fish. When we get notified next year that the tiles, grouper, and other bottom fish are regulated even further you can thank yourself. Garrett

It sounds like you don't really care about depleting the populations, you just want everyone to do it quietly so noone finds out and stops you. This is not consistent with the intent of this website or the intentions of the majority of the people who frequent this website. You probably already know that though since you joined 5 years ago and have only bothered to post anything twice. Go back to lurking and quit being a troll….

[classicrockfish]

[QUOTE=Phishphinder;1295433] Two things I can't wait for is late summer cobia, and fishing reds under the docks around singray...

Amen Brother!! You must be reading my mind!! I could not have said it better myself!!

As for TF I have been told by some that regulators have been known to read things on here but honestly if things keep going the way they have the regulators will require recreational anglers to report your catch regardless of this website by law. I beleive there recently was a big meeting about this. At least now, we still can have a little fun with our reports and it is considered freedom of speech.

[tcannonsr]

PLEASE stop looking so stupid :eek2:!! We (charter captains) report every fish caught to the NMFS. READ Capt. Jims response. We are required to fill out a trip report form BEFORE we reach the dock. It is to be turned in the next day. STOP the silly statements that they are secretly watching this website for information. PLEASE get the right information before making foolish statements. If you don't understand please call me and I can explain it to you...:thumbup: Classicrockfish, there already is a requirment to record all catches, it is only a short ways off. It was started by lawsuits from PETA and other groups with like agendas. They are pushing to have Marine Excluclusionary Zones all around the world to stop all fishing. They already have them in California. Here lies your real enemy...not your fellow fishermen.

Capt. Tim

[ReelCommocean]

"PLEASE stop looking so stupid !! We (charter captains) report every fish caught to the NMFS."


PLEASE notice that the majority of TF members are REC Anglers!!!! While it may seem that the charter guys are catching all the fish, trust me there are plenty of Rec guys out there filling there boxes without having to report the catch except maybe voluntarily with a post on-line. I don't believe for a second that the higher ups are looking on these boards to estimate charter catches since they have more reliable data with the catch records. It is the Rec catches that they have a harder time estimating and online fising sites are a resource for gathering Rec fishermen data. Not saying that it is a good measure or that they should be basing any sort of policy based on it, but let's face it, it's cheap and easy for them.

[Garrett]

I wanted to let everyone know that the first and best way to ruin a great fishery is to put it online.

[sugar bear]

I am "Deese". What is an Eastnern Shore Highrise Toad that I am suppose to think is good to eat?

[Drbrownsuit]

He has a good point.

How many of you die hard deep drop guys have seen a recent surge in the number of deep droppers? I think the post about "Drive-by stealing of numbers" is a perfect example of how more and more people are "discovering" this fishery. Think about the VA Beach striper fishery. That has definitely boomed in recent years with tons of out-of-towners sweeping in. Has no one ever drawn the parallel to sites like TF being atleast partially responsible for the increased fishing pressure?

Before you start bashing me, I'm not saying it is necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, but it is an interesting observation. Although not an avid contributor to the site, I have been on TF since '02 and have definitely seen this trend progress with a number of fisheries from the CBBT, to VA Beach striper fishing and deep dropping and the new internet fishing craze offshore jigging. I am by no means saying that these fisheries or tactics are new, but to many anglers who rely on these sites they are new and once they see success posted, they have to get out there to enjoy this "new-to-them" fishery.

Furthermore I think it is highly unlikely that the The Man isn't watching,. There have been stories of guys being investigated for posting pictures of illegal catches. It's just too easy of a way to get a rough idea of the increased pressure on a particular fishery or survey potential illegal catches.

So with internet forums like this introducing new anlgers to a fishery and the ease in which the goverment can survey such activity, I think it is a long shot to say that fishing sites don't atleast slightly influence potential regulations or enforcement of these regulations. I mean even newspapers site fishing forums as credible resources (I have seen this a few times).

Sorry for the long winded response but some food for thought.

Always two ways of looking at it. I love nothing more than to read the posts and review the pictures, but your point is well taken. Sharing all of the info certainly breeds more "GOOD" fisherman who would otherwise probably not do as well. Double edged sword (like everything else in life)!

[ketch69]

I thought fishing was suppose to be fun and relaxing. Some take it way to serious.



DEAN

[hookinfinger]

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[Hillbilly Boater]

I wanted to let everyone know that the first and best way to ruin a great fishery is to put it online.

Are you serious with this statement or is it just a troll? If it's serious... oh never mind, I'll let it go.:rolleyes: