planer-bridle, crimping

[Kayak fisherman]

Oh, Chumlord.......Lord of Chum... How do you do it?

I tried to make the planer-bridle setup like you demonstrated in your podcast. I did it almost the exact same way except I prefer a slightly smaller planer (#4). I even spray-painted the planer black (my dgtr stuck Dora the Explora sticker on it).

Anyway, I can't get it to work right, mainly because I suck at crimping. I've been crimping alot of my stuff successfully (ie, it hasn't failed) over the past year, mainly because I can't tie a good knot in mono over 100#. But when I try to crimp the bridle (with small crimps), it slips.

Is there some obvious crimping technique I'm missing out on? I use a basic cup-to-cup tool. Maybe I should just go up to Bishops and get them to show me how to do it right.

Please help. I want to get my meat down deep.

[ncquackersmacker]

I know this goes without saying but make sure you are using the right size crimps and the right slot in the crimper. There is know reason they should be sliping with a #4. We can pull a #32 on a crimped bridle with 130 Diamond and 1.3 crimps.

[captdavdavis01]

well, Im not chumlord, but perhaps I can add something here...

first you need to get a real crimp tool, one designed for double barrel sleves... The ones sold at reatail store look the same, but the dies wear out easily, and after you buy 2 or 3 pairs in a season, you could have bought a set that would have lasted many seasons. You dont need the exact one from below, but they are heavy duty. Jikai, Momoi, and Hi Seas are all decent brands. Id expect to pay $60 to $100 for a QUALITY set.

something like this...Offshore Angler Hand Crimper (http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_4690_151006004_151000000_151006000_151-6-4)


Then get the correct size crimps for your leader, again, use the doulble barrel sleeves for minimal problems.
I use Billfisher and Hi Seas.

Here...Bill Fisher Double Sleeve Wire Crimps (http://www.fishermansoutfitter.com/p-930-Bill-Fisher-Double-Sleeve-Wire-Crimps.aspx)

Then get to crimping. just dont crimp the very end of the sleeve, that will prematurely relive you of your planer. The compresed crimp should be almost round(the dies in the crimp tool are), just dont over crimp(go a size smaller ex. 1.0 crimp and 0.8 die in the tool), that will crush the mono and weaken the heck out of your rig.

Oh, and for a planer bridle set up, for a smaller planer your number 4, you will not need the 28 or 31 inch bridle everyone will tell you that you need. Id guess about 15 inches should do it. The key is for your planer to be able to trip and the load be on the snaps, not the actual bridle. The longer bridle will probally do more harm than good. Id also say a 9/0 reel will be more than adequate for up to atleast a heavy #6 planer. I think I was running a # 8 on mine last year.

Danny

[Chumlord]

It is late for me I am going to bed call me tomorrow 757 407 5812 I will help you out. We will get her fixed!!!!

[Eastern Tackle]

A proper bridle has no crimps. Crimps were the way it was done 5 years ago. There are many good tutorials out now regarding the spectra method which is far superior for both strength and longevity.
Regards,
jim

[bbogue]

Not to overhaul this thread, I have a related question. I have a #4 planer on a bridle which seems to trip easily. Any suggestions? Thanks.

Bill
Miss Ginya

[Chumlord]

ET is right however I still use the old method. Keith Gay showed me the "New" way last year basically it is simply a couple of dropper loops space 28" or so apart and the planer gets clipped to the loops.

Bill perhaps your planer is a bit small with a ballyhoo or any sizeable lure behind it. A 3/4 lb Spanish Mackerel will trip a #2 planer @ ten knots easily. I pull a # 8 old salty no issues

Still Kayak fisherman call me 757 407 5812

Lou

[bigg09]

If you neede something in a hurry, there is a great video on how to rig a larger planner. if you use a smaller one the bridal will just be shorter. planer2 - WAHOONBOX (http://www.sportfishermen.com/board/fishingvideos/videos/11474/planer2.html)

[bbogue]

Thanks Lou. I wondered if that wasn't the case.

Bill
Miss Ginya

[Chumlord]

Actually bigg09 the bridle always stays the exact same length, it is length of the 400 pound mono at the ends of the planer that changes. Also I prefer the bimini twist to a surgeon's loop to double your line as in the other video.

[bigg09]

i agree with you on the bimini 100% but know just as many people that use a spider hitch or the double/triple overhand with no failures. all comes dowwn to what someone have faith in. I am comfortable and can tie a bimini quickly but a lot of people can't. i understand where you are coming from on the bridal if you are going to change between planner sizes, but i use the #4 and high speed 8 and they have basically the same length so the bridal is just a little bit smaller than the one shown in the video. but what you are saying about the length of the crimped on clips could be changed if someone is using various sizes of planners that are shorter or longer. i just haven't found a need to use the old salty commercial planner, we seem to do jsut fine with the high speed and slightly smaller planner and don't have to worry about someone setting the rod and getting pulled over if it is not in the holder.

btw, i like a avet 50 narrow for my planner reel loaded with braid. much easier to get the line back on without having to levelwind the line. for those of you that don't have a spare high end reel and want to pull a planner, the 6/0 9/0 senator with smoothy drag upgrade worked for us for years before we drooped the bills on the avet coupled with the high speed #8 (i believe was the planner) 80# braid also woked with that setup. it won't pull a weighted lure but pulls a drone or a seawitch just fine (silver spoon or p/w seawitch of corse).