Poaching, Please Read

[longfin2]

I just sent this email to pgenovese@dnr.state.md.us Please I urge all of you to send something similar.




There is someone that is charging groups of fisherman 20 dollars per person for a shuttle over to the south inlet jetty wall.. There were around 17 Asian men and women on the jetty fishing to TOG. I could see them catching dozens of fish during my lunch time through a really powerful scope. They were actually catching them and eating them raw on the rocks. The DNR officer that was next to me said that even if he was to make it over to the rocks they would start throwing the fish back in and he could never convict them for anything.. "nothing would stand up in court."

This is a quote from a friend of mine. I personally watched tautog carcasses and skins float by my boat all day while they were there and I was fishing the jetty last saturday. These rocks are extremely slippery and dangerous and they have small children running around on them. It is not fair that I get stopped by DNR officers everytime I go out on my boat and I have NEVER kept and undersized fish or more than my limit yet these people do it everyday and "there is nothing you can do about it?" Not only that, but I highly doubt that the person who is shuttling these people over there (he is charging them money) has a Captain's license or any of the required safety equipment to operate a charter vessel. Because if he is charging, then by law he must have his captain's license, the proper insurance, and all the required safety gear. This is getting ridiculous. I see DNR patrolling the inlet all the time but they never go near the south Jetty. Why can't they just anchor up next to the rocks with a video camera or digital camera? These complaints are all over the internet and it's starting to seem like that if DNR doesn't do something about it, the local fisherman are and this would not be good for any of us. Thank you for your time.

[BUDC]

My bet. If the "DNR" wanted to get them, they would. During the Rock season, if VMRC guys see an illegal fish returned to the water, you can still be ticketed--the interpretation is you cannot "....take..." the fish from the water. If you, in any way "....take..." the fish from the water, you now have "...possession..." of an illegal fish. Catch and release is done overboard without removing the fish. Yup, even A..H...s can get a badge. :pinch:
As for your shore-fishers & DNR, probably no money there--boaters have deeper pockets and attachable assets.:rolleyes:
You might have a better chance to let PETA harrass them for harming Seakittens!!:ibeillin:

budc

[longfin2]

Thanks budc, I'm assuming you sent a nice concerning email to DNR.:rolleyes: As for assets, my buddy works at Bass Pro and the setups these guys are buying for togging rival my Penn International 80's in price......................

[BUDC]

Longfin,
I'll be glad to send something, but as a resident of Virginia I feel it would just go in the trash a little quicker than one of your Maryland submissions. We see the same sort of selective enforcement here. It's an aggravation and an unfair practice bordering on illegal application of the law. Reality is that's the way it is and to bring attention to DNR shortcomings can make you unpopular with the enforcers. The bigger group you have the better, so you're on the right track.
Good luck to you and I hope it all works out to your satisfaction.
budc

[Steve F]

Lance,
I had a guy in my office just yesterday and he was in OC last week and told me that he seem more people on the South Jetty than he has ever seen. I told him that I have seen guys beach there boat and walk out there but could not tell him how they got there, I guess this is way. I will send an email and tell them what my buddy just told me. This has to stop and your right those rock are dangerous to walk or stand on. By the way I hope to get over that way in a few weeks for a day trip to go after some of those toothy critters.

[longfin2]

Thanks again Steve, I just hope more people write and something gets done about this. You know how I feel about those fish. I even set a higher size limit on my boat and let all the females go. Just need some more people to bitch about it.:helpsmilie:

[rocksteady]

I just got a text message from Captain Chris Mizurak of the Angler . He saw a guy in a Carolina Skiff shuttling them out there yesterday . Mmmm..... Who do I know that has a Carolina Skiff ? ...... Steve !!! BwaaaHaaa!!!:eek2::yes: Tell me it isn't so ! But seriously , this BS has got to stop !

[worldwidecharterfishing]

I will send an email. i saw all those people on the south jetty at about 10am sunday. I too wondered how the he$$ they got there since i didnt see any boats on the beach in the bay area. there had to have been more then 17. i saw someone in a World Cat anchored near the south jetty. some guy in a carolina skiff moving up and down the south jetty too. I am guessing the world cat was someone from here. Let us know if there is anything else we can do.

[rich daiker]

I can tell you for sure...if you see a 23 Maycraft hauling them out, they wont be comming back

[rocksteady]

I can tell you for sure...if you see a 23 Maycraft hauling them out, they wont be comming back

:yes::clapping2::D

[longfin2]

I'm putting the 43 foot Carolina in tomorrow. I'm gonna need to take her for a test ride out in the ocean. I think I'll let the cummins warm up and cruise out the inlet at that speed just before you get on plane. And you know how close you've got to stay to those rocks (which are actually the marker for that side of the channel) so you don't wind up on a sandbar........................;-)

[scott w]

I'm putting the 43 foot Carolina in tomorrow. I'm gonna need to take her for a test ride out in the ocean. I think I'll let the cummins warm up and cruise out the inlet at that speed just before you get on plane. And you know how close you've got to stay to those rocks (which are actually the marker for that side of the channel) so you don't wind up on a sandbar........................;-)

i can't wait...:clap:

[scott w]

isn't it funny that the law abiding people get harrassed and the ones that are actually breking the law just are ignored? i guess this will go on untill it gets noticed by the rite pissed off DNR agent...:confused:

[DAndrews]

Where is Godzilla when you need him?

[Steve F]

I just got a text message from Captain Chris Mizurak of the Angler . He saw a guy in a Carolina Skiff shuttling them out there yesterday . Mmmm..... Who do I know that has a Carolina Skiff ? ...... Steve !!! BwaaaHaaa!!!:eek2::yes: Tell me it isn't so ! But seriously , this BS has got to stop !

You know as small as those folks are I can put about 20 on my boat at one time:D Your right it does have to stop and I did send an email to that guy :thumbup:

[bel air fishman]

you are an ass

[rocksteady]

you are an ass
Who's an ass ? Why ?

[rocksteady]

Those guys were out in force yesterday , making it hard to get into some of my spots . We didn't even try to fish at the south jetty . We did manage two tog on the bayside though . Very slow bite at the end of the out going .Saw Rich back at the dock . He had some nice flounder .

[bel air fishman]

Meant the above comment about "those people". Just get the impression from some of the comments on this and the other thread about hitting with sinkers, washing people out to sea, etc., that the tone is a little different because they are asian. don't get me wrong, if somebody's doing something illegal, they deserve to be punished.

My wife is Korean and I hear this kind of thing all the time. It's not enough for some people that she is a citizen, has been here for 25 years and that she's spending mother's day crying her eyes out because we lost her youngest son (my stepson) at the age of 19 in Iraq on November 20 of last year. I think she's made enough of a sacrifice to this country to be thought of as a little more than "those people".

Mike

[rocksteady]

Meant the above comment about "those people". Just get the impression from some of the comments on this and the other thread about hitting with sinkers, washing people out to sea, etc., that the tone is a little different because they are asian. don't get me wrong, if somebody's doing something illegal, they deserve to be punished.

My wife is Korean and I hear this kind of thing all the time. It's not enough for some people that she is a citizen, has been here for 25 years and that she's spending mother's day crying her eyes out because we lost her youngest son (my stepson) at the age of 19 in Iraq on November 20 of last year. I think she's made enough of a sacrifice to this country to be thought of as a little more than "those people".

Mike
I don't see it as being racial at all . It doesn't matter what persuasion "those people" are . They are breaking the law and should be dealt with .

[bel air fishman]

Might want to reread my post. Never said they shouldnt obey the law. Let me know where I said otherwise. Was talking about hitting with sinkers and doing more damage, how small they are, etc. I just have a little different perspective.

[crabby and son]

This is a public forum and anybody and everybody reads it. You might want to think twice before you post something if it offends or hurts some one. I have my feelings on certain subjects but you will never see it posted publicly. Think twice and re read your post before you submit................gary

[rich daiker]

"Those People" are the ones theat are raping the tog population in OC. From my experience they are very rude in large numbers untill confronted. I have had several of them launch 4-5 oz sinkers at my boat untill I go nuts and threated to ????...You all know the rest. Point is, I call DNR every time I see them keeping small fish (and DNR is quick to respond), but on the south jetty, the Illegals have the advantage. They can see someone from several hundred yards away and ditch the fish before they are approached. I think the jetty should be closed to ALL fishing since it can not be patrolled..

[rocksteady]

"Those People" are the ones theat are raping the tog population in OC. From my experience they are very rude in large numbers untill confronted. I have had several of them launch 4-5 oz sinkers at my boat untill I go nuts and threated to ????...You all know the rest. Point is, I call DNR every time I see them keeping small fish (and DNR is quick to respond), but on the south jetty, the Illegals have the advantage. They can see someone from several hundred yards away and ditch the fish before they are approached. I think the jetty should be closed to ALL fishing since it can not be patrolled..
I agree 100% Rich .:thumbup:

[Steve F]

Bel Air Fisherman,
I apologize if I have a fended you but if you ever see me I’m a small guy as well and have had “Many” jokes about my size but I don’t not get pissed about it, hell I laugh at them. Lance, Rich, Mike and the rest of these guys are just trying to put an end to the fishing on the South Jetty and I’m all for it. I have not personally seen people keeping small fish but can tell you if I do see that I will be on the phone calling the NRP. I made a promise to Lance when he put me on these fish that I would not keep any tog under 16” and it was not until last year when Mike was on my boat that he showed me the difference between a male and female tog and I DON”T keep the females, do you think they do.

Rich I agree with you 100% also, just look and see who is fishing from the North Jetty in the fall the same people......

[rocksteady]

Bel Air Fisherman,
I apologize if I have a fended you but if you ever see me I’m a small guy as well and have had “Many” jokes about my size but I don’t not get pissed about it, hell I laugh at them. Lance, Rich, Mike and the rest of these guys are just trying to put an end to the fishing on the South Jetty and I’m all for it. I have not personally seen people keeping small fish but can tell you if I do see that I will be on the phone calling the NRP. I made a promise to Lance when he put me on these fish that I would not keep any tog under 16” and it was not until last year when Mike was on my boat that he showed me the difference between a male and female tog and I DON”T keep the females, do you think they do.

Rich I agree with you 100% also, just look and see who is fishing from the North Jetty in the fall the same people...... You're a small guy ? I would have never guessed ! I always thought that that was called "vertically challenged".:yes::D Hell , everyone is a little on the short side next to my string bean a$$:yes::D All kidding aside , those bastages were out in full force on Saturday . Heck Steve , we couldn't even get anywhere near some of our favorite spots because they were covered up with guys with 8 and 9 foot rods and they were casting way out into the channel . Hope you get a chance to get down soon and rip some lips. By the way , a fended is not a word ! BwaaaHaaa!!!

[Steve F]

Yes Mike I am "vertically challenged" that's for sure :thumbup: OK so I'm small and I can't spell so what's your point :D If they get near my spot I have something for them. :watchout6: I'll be giving you a call soon we are thinking about coming over June 4 and 5th do you think the tog will still be around along with some good flounder?

[rocksteady]

Yes Mike I am "vertically challenged" that's for sure :thumbup: OK so I'm small and I can't spell so what's your point :D If they get near my spot I have something for them. :watchout6: I'll be giving you a call soon we are thinking about coming over June 4 and 5th do you think the tog will still be around along with some good flounder?
The fish will be there but it won't be hot and heavy like the fall . Should be plenty of flounder around.

[gliebig]

They were on the jetty all day Monday. Don't they have jobs???????????

[longfin2]

They were on the jetty all day Monday. Don't they have jobs???????????

One of Greg and I's best friends (my first mate, best man at my wedding, and friend for years) is half asian and even he will yell, "damn asians!" I never meant to say anything racist but well all know that it isn't Rayshawn Jackson or John Smith that are doing this.
:rolleyes: By the way, I'm only 5'8" and I put both boats in on friday and went straight home. The going by the jetty thing was a joke..................................the offshore saeason doesn't start for another few weeks:D Seriously though, I fish in the bay a lot in a pontoon boat and very close to bulkheads at sometimes;-) and when I come home from offshore I'm very curtious to the smaller boat and the guys on shore because I know exactly how it feels.

[rgminer]

I see you posted this on more than just the surf fishing boards. As i told you over there...17 people equated to 68 legally caught togs. I doubt very seriously you stood there and counted 68 legal fish. You are assuming a lot considering you were 100 yards away on the far shore of the inlet. Sounds to me like you have some sort of grudge against the Asians who fish on the jettys in OC. And as I tried to tell you on the other boards, you shouldn't assume that every fish they caught they kept.

Gentlemen, with all due respect, this guy sounds a lot like a troll who has something against the Asians who frequent the jettys in Ocean City. He posted the exact same post on the Stripers online surf fishing forums. He claims to have watched these people catch and keep more fish then they were allowed to. 17 people are allowed to catch and keep 68 keeper togs. I doubt that he stood there and counted them catching more than 68 fish through his telescope...Take it for what it's worth....Sounds "fishy" to me, pun intended...

[rich daiker]

I have not seen another post on another board, but I have seen them throwing filleted fish back in the water from where they are fishing, and that is illegal, plain and simple.

[rocksteady]

I see you posted this on more than just the surf fishing boards. As i told you over there...17 people equated to 68 legally caught togs. I doubt very seriously you stood there and counted 68 legal fish. You are assuming a lot considering you were 100 yards away on the far shore of the inlet. Sounds to me like you have some sort of grudge against the Asians who fish on the jettys in OC. And as I tried to tell you on the other boards, you shouldn't assume that every fish they caught they kept.

Gentlemen, with all due respect, this guy sounds a lot like a troll who has something against the Asians who frequent the jettys in Ocean City. He posted the exact same post on the Stripers online surf fishing forums. He claims to have watched these people catch and keep more fish then they were allowed to. 17 people are allowed to catch and keep 68 keeper togs. I doubt that he stood there and counted them catching more than 68 fish through his telescope...Take it for what it's worth....Sounds "fishy" to me, pun intended...

I was the one that posted this originally and yes , I stole it from SOL . No matter what you say , those guys are doing alot of poaching . Do you fish there ? Are you down there even 1/2 as much as Rich , Lance , or myself ? I seriously doubt it . Rich and Lance both have homes in OC and are two of the most ethical fishermen I've ever met . I live only 30 minutes away and spend alot of time fishing the inlet , bay and offshore . We have seen what we have seen and are trying to bring it to the attention of the proper authorities plain and simple . It has nothing to do with the ethnicity of the law breakers . We would be taking the same action no matter who the law breakers were . It just so happens that the Asians prize the tog more than any other fish that swims in our local waters . Hell , up until a few months back , I could trade a 6lb tog for a whole bushel of crabs at the seafood market right up the street from my house . Too bad the Asian that owned it went out of business . Ever heard about the illegal live tog trade to the north ? I'll bet you haven't . I know for a fact that in VA , DE and MD it has been going on for some time . They catch the tog , put them in live tanks and sell them for up to $100.00 a piece to the dealers in NJ and NY . Here is just one example my friend : Salt Water Sportsman - NY cracks down on short tautog (http://www.saltwatersportsman.com/article/News/NY-cracks-down-on-short-tautog) NY cracks down on short tautog

Inspections net blatant violators

April 21, 2008
By Staff

Sales of illegal live tautog in Asian restaurants and markets has been so blatant that even short blackfish are commonly displayed in tanks. The Law Enforcement office of the New York Department of Environmental Conservation's Marine District has been making cases by walking the streets to observe fish that only have significant worth when swimming in a tank. For instance, a seafood wholesaler in Flushing was caught with 643 pounds of short tog in his warehouse on Jan. 23. Those fish were valued at $16 per pound for a total of almost $10,300. The case report noted "This is a good example of how significant the illegal blackfish trade is in NYC." A plain clothes inspection of a Brooklyn market on Feb. 7 turned up 171 shorts weighing 290 pounds, with a retail value of $4,000.

[rgminer]

Yes I fish there several times a year and I have never seen anything like what you are describing. Again, I doubt the validity of your argument because of the so called facts you posted. I see no way you could stand there for the hours it would require to count 68 fish, I see no way you could determine what a keeper fish was or was not from such a distance away, regardless if you were using a telescope or not, and I see no way that an NRP officer would tell you he wasn't going to investigate a claim made of such horrendous poaching.

Like I said, if there were 19 people, they had a legal right to 68 togs measuring 14" or larger. I just don't believe you. I have see people cussing and complaining about the Asians who fish there while I was standing right there on the north jetty simply out of jealousy. I have seen confrontations because a fish caught by the Asians caused a tangle of lines. What if they were black or red or purple? Would you bother to mention their race? What difference does it make?

You don't appear to have all the facts. You are assuming that they took more then they are allowed, you are assuming they are filleting and eating them on the jetty (which wouldn't be illegal as long as they kept the carcass for inspection) you are now assuming they are illegally selling these fish. You have no facts, you have have assumptions. You shouldn't be bad mouthing anyone without facts...AND to top it off, you go to major lengths to make sure everyone knows they are Asians. Sounds to me like you have a grudge. Get over it.

[rocksteady]

Yes I fish there several times a year and I have never seen anything like what you are describing. Again, I doubt the validity of your argument because of the so called facts you posted. I see no way you could stand there for the hours it would require to count 68 fish, I see no way you could determine what a keeper fish was or was not from such a distance away, regardless if you were using a telescope or not, and I see no way that an NRP officer would tell you he wasn't going to investigate a claim made of such horrendous poaching.

Like I said, if there were 19 people, they had a legal right to 68 togs measuring 14" or larger. I just don't believe you. I have see people cussing and complaining about the Asians who fish there while I was standing right there on the north jetty simply out of jealousy. I have seen confrontations because a fish caught by the Asians caused a tangle of lines. What if they were black or red or purple? Would you bother to mention their race? What difference does it make?

You don't appear to have all the facts. You are assuming that they took more then they are allowed, you are assuming they are filleting and eating them on the jetty (which wouldn't be illegal as long as they kept the carcass for inspection) you are now assuming they are illegally selling these fish. You have no facts, you have have assumptions. You shouldn't be bad mouthing anyone without facts...AND to top it off, you go to major lengths to make sure everyone knows they are Asians. Sounds to me like you have a grudge. Get over it. You must be a libturd . As I stated before . I stole the post from another board . I wasn't the one watching from the north jetty . So you fish there "several times a year" . BwaaaHaaa !!! Buddy , you're the one that needs to get over it . Lance and Rich are there just about every weekend and I fish there at least twice a week if not more . Why get hung up on the math ? Keep the carcass ? Bla Bla . As Rich and Lance stated previously , they have seen the effers throwing the racks into the inlet ! What don't you get ? What is YOUR hidden agenda ? Didn't have your morning tea and sushi ? The post I copied from SOL as mushroomed since I posted it because Lance picked up the ball and ran with it . Good for him . Lance is a protector of as well as an angler for tog . He doesn't keep females or tog under 16" . Can you say that ? Ever even caught a tog ? Show me some pics blowhard . You are biting off more than you can chew. I have seen the Asian anglers with live bags hanging off the Rt 50 bridge , have a car come up , stop and let the "angler" throw the bag into the car and then take off . Does that sound like legal fishing to you ? I'm sure it does . What kind of lame excuse can you give for that ? You're the one with a bone to pick and the one that won't face facts . Are you calling Rich , Lance , myself and others liars ? When was the last time you were even in OC ? Shut your pie hole if you don't know the eff what you're talking about . Just take a look at at SF.com or other boards where this subject has been addressed and you will see the posts . Oh , that's right , you're an expert statistician and have it all figured out . You will never win this argument as you are nothing but a poser . What do they call guys like you ? Danglers , not anglers .:yes:

[mdram]

ive seen the same bag trick, and fillet and eat right at the 4th street bulkhead, more then 1 time

and every time its a person of asian ancestry

is it racial profiling? sure.
but so is checking arabs getting on planes.

im not saying that all offenders are asian, or that only asians are offenders.

go to cape henlopen peir sometime. many asians keep everything they catch.

[rocksteady]

Hey Rag Miner , are you calling my good friend Roger a liar too ? Crawl back in your hole .

[rich daiker]

Hey Mike....He is just looking to start s**t. The real fishermen here have seen the truth with their own eyes and know who is doing what. I think he is a flunky from the BS board looking for a fight:yes:

BTW....togs, are they the flat ones or the round ones with the teeth. I always get them mixed up since I dont know what the f**k I am talking about and very rarely catch any fish.:thumbup:

[rocksteady]

Hey Mike....He is just looking to start s**t. The real fishermen here have seen the truth with their own eyes and know who is doing what. I think he is a flunky from the BS board looking for a fight:yes:

BTW....togs, are they the flat ones or the round ones with the teeth. I always get them mixed up since I dont know what the f**k I am talking about and very rarely catch any fish.:thumbup:
I guess those were tog you pulled out of the cooler and showed me last Saturday , right Rich ?:yes::D The a hole should go back to the bs board where he belongs . He is either oriental himself or married to one that he bought and paid for :yes: http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u240/stromus/Gifs%20for%20threads/jackmeoff.gif http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u240/stromus/Gifs%20for%20threads/roflmao-ag1.gif

[rgminer]

You must be a libturd . As I stated before . I stole the post from another board . I wasn't the one watching from the north jetty . So you fish there "several times a year" . BwaaaHaaa !!! Buddy , you're the one that needs to get over it . Lance and Rich are there just about every weekend and I fish there at least twice a week if not more . Why get hung up on the math ? Keep the carcass ? Bla Bla . As Rich and Lance stated previously , they have seen the effers throwing the racks into the inlet ! What don't you get ? What is YOUR hidden agenda ? Didn't have your morning tea and sushi ? The post I copied from SOL as mushroomed since I posted it because Lance picked up the ball and ran with it . Good for him . Lance is a protector of as well as an angler for tog . He doesn't keep females or tog under 16" . Can you say that ? Ever even caught a tog ? Show me some pics blowhard . You are biting off more than you can chew. I have seen the Asian anglers with live bags hanging off the Rt 50 bridge , have a car come up , stop and let the "angler" throw the bag into the car and then take off . Does that sound like legal fishing to you ? I'm sure it does . What kind of lame excuse can you give for that ? You're the one with a bone to pick and the one that won't face facts . Are you calling Rich , Lance , myself and others liars ? When was the last time you were even in OC ? Shut your pie hole if you don't know the eff what you're talking about . Just take a look at at SF.com or other boards where this subject has been addressed and you will see the posts . Oh , that's right , you're an expert statistician and have it all figured out . You will never win this argument as you are nothing but a poser . What do they call guys like you ? Danglers , not anglers .:yes:

Yeah right I am a socialist liberal...I served 6 years in the military under Ronald Regan, and 5 years as a police officer after that, I have never voted for a Democrat in my life. My argument comes directly from my law enforcement experience. Witness testimony is very often partially or completely inaccurate. Your account of the events is absurd. You certainly have a lot of time on your hands to be "stalking" Asian fishermen in Ocean City. Again, it sounds to me that you are either angry that they are successful fishermen, or perhaps it's more dangerous than that.

Thank you for calling me the names, it's proof positive that when you cannot back up your story with actual evidence, you turn to name calling. If you think you have the proof that these people are breaking the law, then get a video camera and take some pictures, contact the NRP and let them set up an undercover operation to capture them. Until then, why would you bother to come here to complain about something no one here can do anything about. If what you said is true about that NRP officer, then a simple phone tip isn't going to result in anything right?

I have said my piece. If you think there is something "fishy" going on, then by all means take your story to the NRP. If they don't think they can do anything, then there must be nothing to it...

[rocksteady]

Yeah right I am a socialist liberal...I served 6 years in the military under Ronald Regan, and 5 years as a police officer after that, I have never voted for a Democrat in my life. My argument comes directly from my law enforcement experience. Witness testimony is very often partially or completely inaccurate. Your account of the events is absurd. You certainly have a lot of time on your hands to be "stalking" Asian fishermen in Ocean City. Again, it sounds to me that you are either angry that they are successful fishermen, or perhaps it's more dangerous than that.

Thank you for calling me the names, it's proof positive that when you cannot back up your story with actual evidence, you turn to name calling. If you think you have the proof that these people are breaking the law, then get a video camera and take some pictures, contact the NRP and let them set up an undercover operation to capture them. Until then, why would you bother to come here to complain about something no one here can do anything about. If what you said is true about that NRP officer, then a simple phone tip isn't going to result in anything right?

I have said my piece. If you think there is something "fishy" going on, then by all means take your story to the NRP. If they don't think they can do anything, then there must be nothing to it... Shut up fool > Got tog ?http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u240/stromus/BadDogOhYa.jpg Or are you a dog ?

[longfin2]

Hey rgminer, I'm calling NRP because.............................

[Mercutio]

The internet has a saying that I think would be pertinent here:

"Pics or it didn't happen".

[rocksteady]

Yeah right I am a socialist liberal...I served 6 years in the military under Ronald Regan, and 5 years as a police officer after that, I have never voted for a Democrat in my life. My argument comes directly from my law enforcement experience. Witness testimony is very often partially or completely inaccurate. Your account of the events is absurd. You certainly have a lot of time on your hands to be "stalking" Asian fishermen in Ocean City. Again, it sounds to me that you are either angry that they are successful fishermen, or perhaps it's more dangerous than that.

Thank you for calling me the names, it's proof positive that when you cannot back up your story with actual evidence, you turn to name calling. If you think you have the proof that these people are breaking the law, then get a video camera and take some pictures, contact the NRP and let them set up an undercover operation to capture them. Until then, why would you bother to come here to complain about something no one here can do anything about. If what you said is true about that NRP officer, then a simple phone tip isn't going to result in anything right?

I have said my piece. If you think there is something "fishy" going on, then by all means take your story to the NRP. If they don't think they can do anything, then there must be nothing to it...
Go home and play in the sand box : The following is in response to emails expressing their thoughts and concerns about the tautog fishery on the OC south jetty wall:

May 7, 2009

To whom it may concern :
This is in response to the concerns of the concerned sportfishermen in the Ocean City area. Let me start by stating I am the current supervisor for that area and have been a NRP officer there for the past 21 years, so I am very familiar with the spring and fall tautog fishing activities that occur. I personally have spent countless hours conducting surveillance operations and foot patrol checks on these fishermen for many years, as have other NRP officers, in order to maintain compliance with the regulations. NRP officers have recorded numerous tog violations in the past, and continue to do so today. I have to confess that it bothers me when I hear someone say NRP is not doing its job monitoring these fishermen, because I know from experience this is just not the case. NRP officers have responded to many “complaints” that turn out to be unfounded. It also bothers me when I hear someone complain about an incident that had occurred previously. If someone is witnessing a violation , a quick phone call to NRP will initiate an immediate response by an officer ( barring any unforeseen circumstance), to check for any illegal activity – we can only do so much and we actually appreciate the public monitoring the fishermen and calling us when they have an issue that needs to be resolved.
In reference to the south jetty issue ; I became aware of the initial influx of tog fishermen in the spring of 2008 and was concerned about this practice for many reasons – conservation (over fishing ), officer and fishermen safety, enforcement difficulties, to name a few. I contacted and discussed my concerns with personnel from the Federal Park service in an attempt to close off the jetty for recreational use, and long story short, it did not happen. NRP currently monitors all tog fishing activity from the south jetty, and for safety reasons, all fishermen are checked at the boat or at the dock for compliance. Is someone decides to eat a raw fish out on the jetty, quite honestly , enforcement action is limited. I believe NRP is doing everything possible under the circumstances to monitor ALL sportfishing activity in the Ocean City area.
With regards to the vessel that shuttles fishermen out to the south jetty : as per my officers, he has been checked by NRP and has a valid Captains license and necessary equipment to perform the service he is providing. This is actually a USCG issue and I currently do not know if they have inspected the vessel. It is our position at this time the shuttle vessel / operator is not in violation and can continue operation.
Finally, NRP officers check thousands of sportfishermen every year in the Ocean City area. The majority of these fishermen are law abiding , upstanding individuals that make every effort to conform with the numerous fishing laws and regulations, and believe me, they are appreciated and make our jobs less stressful. Unfortunetley, NRP officers cannot decipher between the law abiding fishermen and the violators unless we check, so many fishermen will be checked on a regular basis if they fish in the area , and as a supervisor, this is what I require from my officers.
Hopefully this has addressed the concerns.

Sgt. Glenn W. Lay

[mdstripers]

There is a frequent poster on this thread who has a history of poaching Tog.

[bel air fishman]

"He is either oriental himself or married to one that he bought and paid for"

Real classy statement. Was giving you the benefit of the doubt until that one.

[crabby and son]

Damn...........play nice boyz:eek2:..................Gary

[rgminer]

My comment remains...If these people (let's call them potential poachers, since they are innocent until proven guilty by a jury of their peers) were white, would you have called them white poachers? If they were black would you have called them black poachers? But yet you made damn sure we all knew they were Asians.

No I am not an Asian, nor am I married to an Asian, nor are any of my blood relatives Asians. My point is that I have witnessed outrageous comments first hand on the jetty, bridge and 2nd street reef by people such as the original poster of this crap. Sometimes right to their faces. I saw a "fisherman" take a swing at one of the Asians because the fish he caught crossed lines and created a tangled mess...That kind of behavior is more criminal than keeping a few fish too many...Your post is adding fuel to that fire.

If they are poaching then drop a dime on them, call NRP. No civilian reading these boards can do anymore than you can. You seem to have a lot of time to watch them, so when you see something you believe is poaching, call the NRP...If you are right then more power to you, if you are wrong, I hope you have a good lawyer, because you can bet your ass they will come after you...In other words, put up or shut up...

[longfin2]

There is a frequent poster on this thread who has a history of poaching Tog.



Well, who is it? Making a statement like that without saying who it is some serious keyboard hiding:confused:

[KenY]

My parents are Chinese and I'm telling you first hand that a lotta old world Asians will keep every fish they catch. Old world Asians don't know and don't care about whatever fishery laws there are. I have seen first hand Asian people keeping 4-5" SeaBass; 4-5" Croakers; 3-4" Spots; 12-13" Rockfish.....I can keep going, but you get the idea. My parent's used to ask mee to take their friends fishing with mee. I refuse to do that anymore. It sickens mee that I have to fight them to throw back the shorts.

I think its pretty safe to say that if there is an Asian who doesn't speak English pretty fluently, you can bet they are keeping shorts. Is that a racist thing to say ??? I don't think so. Can't be racist if its the truth.

[pier_man0909]

I think its pretty safe to say that if there is an Asian who doesn't speak English pretty fluently, you can bet they are keeping shorts. Is that a racist thing to say ??? I don't think so. Can't be racist if its the truth.


lol, reminds me of a friend I got. he gets hispanics who come in his shop and ask for "cats nest" and he wont sell any cast nets to any hispanics because he has seen them poaching with them. ive been told about a few occasions a while ago where they cast netted a bunch of rockfish and had them laying all over the bank. they got so tired from walking them up the hill to their trucks they just left a bunch of them to rot on the bank. heard the same thing about them cast netting herring before too. I have never seen that personally but I have seen them fishing like that with a few catfish laying on the bank and I wouldt doubt it. off the topic of poaching this is crazy, lol, one time I saw a hispanic guy snag a cast net below chain bridge in DC. he was yanking on it trying to free it any one of his real drunk buddies walked up. he took his shirt off and he dove into the potomac, in a fast flowing portion mind you to free it. he was only under for 15-20 seconds but WTF! I couldnt believe it when I saw it. I was laughing so hard I thought I was gonna die.

[home cookin']

I don't think any ethnic group has a monoply on game violations. The families of those who settled around the Bay in the 1600's still believe in the "God-given right to plunder." Poor people will keep and eat everything--not saying it's right or shouldn't be stopped--but ethnic groups are just easier to identify, and blame. One ethnic group I identify with keeping short flounder in Virginia are the ones with DE on their boats. Maybe we shouldn't sell them any bait.

[rgminer]

My parents are Chinese and I'm telling you first hand that a lotta old world Asians will keep every fish they catch. Old world Asians don't know and don't care about whatever fishery laws there are. I have seen first hand Asian people keeping 4-5" SeaBass; 4-5" Croakers; 3-4" Spots; 12-13" Rockfish.....I can keep going, but you get the idea. My parent's used to ask mee to take their friends fishing with mee. I refuse to do that anymore. It sickens mee that I have to fight them to throw back the shorts.

I think its pretty safe to say that if there is an Asian who doesn't speak English pretty fluently, you can bet they are keeping shorts. Is that a racist thing to say ??? I don't think so. Can't be racist if its the truth.

Yes, it's a racist thing to say, it ranks right up there with all southerners are rednecks, all blacks eat watermelon and all Jewish people are money grubbers. I don't care if you parent's are Chinese, it call stereotyping. Are you parents bad drivers? Yep, more stereotyping.

Like the man said, if you got proof, call NRP, if you don't, STFU.

[mdstripers]

Well, who is it? Making a statement like that without saying who it is some serious keyboard hiding:confused:

He knows who he is, and he has been silenced so far on this thread.

[mdstripers]

Maybe he will fess up himself, if he has the guts to do so. Let's give him some time to think about it and perhaps he will come clean.

[rocksteady]

Well, who is it? Making a statement like that without saying who it is some serious keyboard hiding:confused:
Mr alltackle is referring to me. Back in the fall of '07 I took a couple of guys togging on my boat . The bite was incredible at the south jetty . After limiting out , we came back to the dock and went to Jeff's house in West OC so I could show them how to clean the fish . Later that afternoon I went back out with my friend Mark and we caught another 7 fish . In reality , I was guilty of exceeding my daily creel limit of 5 fish . When it was brought to my attention , I realized my mistake . The bite was so good that we got caught up in the heat of the moment . I will not deny that yes , I broke the law that day . May I add though , that I've never done it again since that day and it wasn't my intention to try and get over on the system . I've got the balls to admit when I was wrong and would also think that the people who are trying to defend what the folks on the south jetty are doing would just man up and realize the truth rather than turn this into a racial issue . Last Saturday it was virtually impossible to to fish from a boat anywhere along the south jetty other than the very tip , which can't really be accessed by someone on foot . Guess what ? Very little room for more than 2 or 3 boats to anchor up at the tip without causing a major cluster f#$@ . It would be one thing if these esteemed tog fishermen would just drop there baits down into the rocks near the jetty where the tog live , but no ! They were casting out with large sinkers 30 to 40 yards into the channel . Happy now mdstripers ? I know who you are and your true agenda .

[rocksteady]

"He is either oriental himself or married to one that he bought and paid for"

Real classy statement. Was giving you the benefit of the doubt until that one.
Sorry if I offended you . Maybe I was wrong saying that but I still feel that something should be done about this problem .

[longfin2]

Mr alltackle is referring to me. Back in the fall of '07 I took a couple of guys togging on my boat . The bite was incredible at the south jetty . After limiting out , we came back to the dock and went to Jeff's house in West OC so I could show them how to clean the fish . Later that afternoon I went back out with my friend Mark and we caught another 7 fish . In reality , I was guilty of exceeding my daily creel limit of 5 fish . When it was brought to my attention , I realized my mistake . The bite was so good that we got caught up in the heat of the moment . I will not deny that yes , I broke the law that day . May I add though , that I've never done it again since that day and it wasn't my intention to try and get over on the system . I've got the balls to admit when I was wrong and would also think that the people who are trying to defend what the folks on the south jetty are doing would just man up and realize the truth rather than turn this into a racial issue . Last Saturday it was virtually impossible to to fish from a boat anywhere along the south jetty other than the very tip , which can't really be accessed by someone on foot . Guess what ? Very little room for more than 2 or 3 boats to anchor up at the tip without causing a major cluster f#$@ . it would be one thing if these esteemed tog fishermen would just drop there baits down into the rocks near the jetty where the tog live , but no ! They were casting out with large sinkers 30 to 40 yards into the channel . Happy now mdstripers ? I know who you are and your true agenda .


Now that is a true fisherman:clapping2: Mike, you're one of the last of the few good ones. And RGMINER, go back to whatever board you usually frequent until you actually have a report for this forum or some advice. You're just a trouble maker.

[mdstripers]

A POACHER IS A POACHER and those that live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Now that you have admitted in writing that you are a POACHER, I am sure the DNR will be glad to use this information and apply the law to your case for exceeding the daily possession limit of Tautog. I will be happy to supply the DNR any additional information such as pictures, witnesses, etc, they might need to prosecute your case.

Your racial statements on this thread are a pathetic example of racism, vulgarity and bigotry.

[rocksteady]

A POACHER IS A POACHER and those that live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Now that you have admitted in writing that you are a POACHER, I am sure the DNR will be glad to use this information and apply the law to your case for exceeding the daily possession limit of Tautog. I will be happy to supply the DNR any additional information such as pictures, witnesses, etc, they might need to prosecute your case.

Your racial statements on this thread are a pathetic example of racism, vulgarity and bigotry.
Do what you have to do a$$hole . Bring it on . You can't prove a thing no matter what I have posted . There's a little thing called evidence and pics won't suffice . You have a personal agenda with me . Why don't you just meet me for lunch one day so I can shove it down your throat ? Coward .:yes: I'd be glad to repost the pics in question but since it will be a blatant advertisement for your place of employment , I won't give you the satisfaction .

[rocksteady]

Now that is a true fisherman:clapping2: Mike, you're one of the last of the few good ones. And RGMINER, go back to whatever board you usually frequent until you actually have a report for this forum or some advice. You're just a trouble maker.
Same thing goes for the alltackle shill . No balls , no glory.

[Brandon]

Guys, why does an issue concerning possible fishing violations turn into some racist discussion? I will say that Longfin really did not need to insert "Asian" into the original post. I'd ask myself if there might be a little jab there. If people are violating the law whoever they are there should be consequences. If anyone wants to do something about it that is great. One suggestion I would have for whoever is that if you see people breaking the law and want to do something you absolutly need pictures. Saying I saw this that or the other only goes so far. Get a video camera and tape what is going on then go to the net or authorities then there is no question. You will not need to identify the people in any way because the pictures and/or video tells the story. It's that simple gang, so please no more racial discussions relating to this period.

Thank you

Brandon

[longfin2]

Guys, why does an issue concerning possible fishing violations turn into some racist discussion? I will say that Longfin really did not need to insert "Asian" into the original post. I'd ask myself if there might be a little jab there. If people are violating the law whoever they are there should be consequences. If anyone wants to do something about it that is great. One suggestion I would have for whoever is that if you see people breaking the law and want to do something you absolutly need pictures. Saying I saw this that or the other only goes so far. Get a video camera and tape what is going on then go to the net or authorities then there is no question. You will not need to identify the people in any way because the pictures and/or video tells the story. It's that simple gang, so please no more racial discussions relating to this period.

Thank you

Brandon


Sorry Brandon, but it wasn't a jab. If it were a bunch of asians complaining about asians they would probably just say "those guys." If it were a bunch of rednecks like myself, I'd just say those guys. We're all different and we all know it. No harm intended, let's just say that there is a lot of illegal tog poaching going on in OC by people. I'm fine with that.

[rocksteady]

Sorry Brandon, but it wasn't a jab. If it were a bunch of asians complaining about asians they would probably just say "those guys." If it were a bunch of rednecks like myself, I'd just say those guys. We're all different and we all know it. No harm intended, let's just say that there is a lot of illegal tog poaching going on in OC by people. I'm fine with that. The truth hurts I guess . You know and I know the truth Lance . http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ITptP6GAt1E/SWZNNXznwbI/AAAAAAAACG8/FKYoOq4FC3c/s400/can%27t+handle+the+truth.jpg

[mdstripers]

HERE IS SOME EVIDENCE OF POACHING:

http://www.tidalfish.com/photopost/data/500/mike_rose_poaching.jpg

A maximum of three anglers caught these Taug's in one day. 27 fish.

First trip three anglers, 15 fish,

Second trip two anglers, 12 fish.

He was on work release from jail on this very day of fishing!

[rocksteady]

HERE IS SOME EVIDENCE OF POACHING:

http://www.tidalfish.com/photopost/data/500/mike_rose_poaching.jpg

A maximum of three anglers caught these Taug's in one day. 27 fish.

First trip three anglers, 15 fish,

Second trip two anglers, 12 fish. Come on plow boy !You can do better than that ! It was 4 anglers anyway ! You are a bold faced liar ! Like I said before , you are grasping at straws . Continue your personal attacks and we will see what happens my friend . 4 times 5= 20 . You forgot to mention that my friend Mark went out on the second trip . Thanks for the nice pics though . Where are the ones that you caught ? You have nothing better to do than dig up this ? Let me see you one time on the water JL .:yes: Expect some lead coming your way . Go back to sucking on the teet !:yes: I manned up just like you thought I wouldn't do didn't I ? You don't know how many fish were caught on either trip . Send it to the DNR if you like ! Those are nice pics though . Thanks for posting them:yes:

[mdstripers]

It's tough breaking the law while on work release from the Snow Hill Jail, but I guess POACHERS will do just about anything to poach.

Remember the Where is Michael R Rose? thread.

Answer: Jail

[rocksteady]

It's tough breaking the law while on work release from the Snow Hill Jail, but I guess POACHERS will do just about anything to poach.

Remember the Where is Michael R Rose? thread.

Answer: Jail
If that's all you got , than you are really a pitiful a$$hole . Bring anything you want to up about me . I couldn't give a rat's ass . My real friends know me and appreciate what I have to offer in regards to fishing .All you can do is make personal attacks . Go for it dude ! Your true colors are shining through ! I will continue to be a good person no matter what my failures in life might entail . You are just another person that likes to stir the pot , dig up dirt , etc. Just a short search of your posts on this forum show that you offer nothing . You're not even a subscriber . Who's at the keyboard with you now ? Having a good laugh are you ? I won't deny anything that I'm guilty of and although I'm not proud of everything I've done in my life , I surely won't lie about it . Like I said before , meet me at the dock one day and we'll find out who the real man is .:yes:

[mdstripers]

Your true colors are also shining through but in a dull way.

You know your rap sheet is as long as your arm and you know that you have no respect for the laws and poach all the time. Everybody knows it and that is the word on the street. You come across as the expert for all things fishing on this board but when you get caught poaching you say you were ignorant of the laws. I guess it must be selective knowledge.

The truth hurts.

[mdram]

ive fished with mike many times, and can say, he always make sure hes obeying the laws. if a fish is even questionable it goes back

[rocksteady]

Your true colors are also shining through but in a dull way.

You know your rap sheet is as long as your arm and you know that you have no respect for the laws and poach all the time. Everybody knows it and that is the word on the street. You come across as the expert for all things fishing on this board but when you get caught poaching you say you were ignorant of the laws. I guess it must be selective knowledge.

The truth hurts.Keep trying John . I poach all the time ?:confused: You really are making false statements now punk . Have I ever been even cited for any game violations ? No . Thank you for sharing you pos . You'll get yours , you can bet on it . The word on the street ? BwaaaHaaa!!! Keep a good lookout for me buddy . I'll be looking for you :yes: I make one mistake , one time and I'm a poacher for life eh ? I have never been cited for any fish or game violations in my life . Back up these words about me poaching . You really are pitiful if this is all you have to do . No business ? KF got you up to this ? The offer still stands pu$$y boy . I'll be in OC later today . Want me to stop by and say hello ?

[mdstripers]

Keep trying John . I poach all the time ?:confused: You really are making false statements now punk . Have I ever been even cited for any game violations ? No . Thank you for sharing you pos . You'll get yours , you can bet on it . The word on the street ? BwaaaHaaa!!! Keep a good lookout for me buddy . I'll be looking for you :yes: I make one mistake , one time and I'm a poacher for life eh ? I have never been cited for any fish or game violations in my life . Back up these words about me poaching . You really are pitiful if this is all you have to do . No business ? KF got you up to this ? The offer still stands pu$$y boy . I'll be in OC later today . Want me to stop by and say hello ?

You have the wrong person. If you will be in OC let me know what time and where and I will have DNR Police ready for your interview. You might as well get it over with rather than having it hanging out there over your head.

[rocksteady]

You have the wrong person. If you will be in OC let me know what time and where and I will have DNR Police ready for your interview. You might as well get it over with rather than having it hanging out there over your head.
Steve , John , whatever , still the same pu$$y .Tell me where to be keyboard boy . I'll be there ! What time ? You are nothing but a coward hiding behind that computer aren't you ? :yes:You know my phone # and how to find me . You get called out and that's all you can say ? Keep trying baby boy . http://www.health-in-action.org/library/pdf/Shaken%20Baby/Images/Waa%20cry%20baby2.jpg

[mdstripers]

Meet me at this address:

Dept of Natural Resources - Eastern Region
32144 Mt. Olive Rd.
Salisbury, MD 21804

What time would you like to meet?

Make sure you bring a valid Driver's License.

Catch a Poacher Hotline 1-800-635-6124

[rocksteady]

Can you say TROLL ? http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u240/stromus/Aatroll.jpg

[rocksteady]

Meet me at this address:

Dept of Natural Resources - Eastern Region
32144 Mt. Olive Rd.
Salisbury, MD 21804

What time would you like to meet?

Make sure you bring a valid Driver's License.

Catch a Poacher Hotline 1-800-635-6124 You won't be there pu$$y . Coward:yes:

[Chumbucket]

Little warm out for February isn't it?

[rocksteady]

Little warm out for February isn't it? :yes: Guy has a bone to pick chum , that's all .

[Chumbucket]

:yes: Guy has a bone to pick chum , that's all .

Oh yeah, you know how it goes...Everybody loves a good internet purse fight occasionally...But you know the order of march around here, we reserve February for insane meltdowns...

[bring_em_on]

Settle this like gentlemen....pistols at 10 paces.


18730

[Chumbucket]

Settle this like gentlemen....pistols at 10 paces.


18730

You just want to shoot that guy in that funny after dinner jacket dontcha? Probably explains why we're not a British province today...

[longfin2]

:jackthread::jackthread::jackthread::jackthread:

This isn't about Mike or what he's done:nono: This is about me not being able to catch any tog in the bay because they never get a chance to make it thru the inlet!

[Chumbucket]

:jackthread::jackthread::jackthread::jackthread:

This isn't about Mike or what he's done:nono: This is about me not being able to catch any tog in the bay because they never get a chance to make it thru the inlet!

Is that what it's reaslllllllllly about? Or is this a cry for help? You know there was a time when Brincefield couldn't catch tog, he was togless, it was horrible...Even he could learn, there's hope for you...

[Haus]

[QUOTE=rocksteady;1364352]Steve , John , whatever , still the same pu$$y .Tell me where to be keyboard boy . I'll be there ! What time ? You are nothing but a coward hiding behind that computer aren't you ? :yes:You know my phone # and how to find me . You get called out and that's all you can say ? Keep trying baby boy . QUOTE]

Real nice Mike! This is the only screen name I've ever had on here so it's not me! John is on vacation for the week and I know for a fact it is not him.

So next time you want to make threats you might want to at least have the right person. If there is still something you feel the need to say to me you know where to find me!

Steve

[Chumbucket]

I'm positively giddy about the nice Fed Ex man bringing me my semi-permanent Maine trailer plate...I thought this might be a nice time to share that....I knew you guys would understand...

[TUNALUNATIC]

Well???? Did the poacher show up at the DNR? What happened?

[longfin2]

Is that what it's reaslllllllllly about? Or is this a cry for help? You know there was a time when Brincefield couldn't catch tog, he was togless, it was horrible...Even he could learn, there's hope for you...

Look up the Ocean City Rocktoberfest Tournament and take a look at the name of the boat that's taken first place in the tog division for like the last five years............................Oh yeah, you'll probably see that same boat name in various 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place finishes in the White Marlin Open and the OC Tuna Tournament over the past few years. So yup, you got me, I don't know how to fish for anything. I do however, know how to fish for everything;-) Have a good weekend everyone I'm off to the beach and remember why this thread was started.

[Chumbucket]

Look up the Ocean City Rocktoberfest Tournament and take a look at the name of the boat that's taken first place in the tog division for like the last five years............................Oh yeah, you'll probably see that same boat name in various 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place finishes in the White Marlin Open and the OC Tuna Tournament over the past few years. So yup, you got me, I don't know how to fish for anything. I do however, know how to fish for everything;-) Have a good weekend everyone I'm off to the beach and remember why this thread was started.

THAT was almost perfection! You were only missing a convincing closing. Something along the lines of, "Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Mister..."

I suppose this calls for a duel of some sort now...

[rocksteady]

[QUOTE=rocksteady;1364352]Steve , John , whatever , still the same pu$$y .Tell me where to be keyboard boy . I'll be there ! What time ? You are nothing but a coward hiding behind that computer aren't you ? :yes:You know my phone # and how to find me . You get called out and that's all you can say ? Keep trying baby boy . QUOTE]

Real nice Mike! This is the only screen name I've ever had on here so it's not me! John is on vacation for the week and I know for a fact it is not him.

So next time you want to make threats you might want to at least have the right person. If there is still something you feel the need to say to me you know where to find me!

SteveSorry Steve . Who else could it be ? Mmmm..... Promoting AT , have access to those pics ,Mmmm... Got to have some connection but if you say it isn't you or JL than I'll take you at your word .

[rocksteady]

Well???? Did the poacher show up at the DNR? What happened?

http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=244701&stc=1&d=1242418740

[mdstripers]

No show, go figure. I guess if you don't have a valid driver's license you can't pull up to the police HQ.

[wicomicofishaholic]

Mike, Rocksteady, Why did you just send my a text calling me a girl? You got the wrong guy. Ive stayed out of this thread. My name is wicomicofishaholic, not mdstripers. I'm done dealing with racism on this forum. Mike why are you always getting caught up in racist threads?

[DAndrews]

Mike....blow these guys off....they've jacked the thread because they obviously have an axe to grind and I think most think as I do, that they've hit below the belt...in fact I'm surprised Brandon hasn't shut this thread down. For what it's worth, I don't see a problem saying "Asians" in this thread because it has historically been this culture that has refused to follow the rules established for the larger community. I has been reportedly happening for years.

[bel air fishman]

"because it has historically been this culture that has refused to follow the rules established for the larger community"

Gee, sorta like watermen, huh Quinn?

[rich daiker]

Every one needs to get off the Asian thing and just look at the facts. The people that are being shuttled over to the south jetty are breaking the law. I have seen it in person. They fillet the togs on the spot and throw the remains in the water. I have seen it on several different days and talked th DNR about it....They tell me it is very hard to catch the because the can not "sneek up" on them due to the location, which I can understand. I have seen DNR wait and catch poachers in other locations, but the south jetty is another story. If it not stopped soon, there will be no tog left since they are one of the slowest growing fish around..As for the jabs and trash talk....take it to the BS board or go settle it on the jetty

[DAndrews]

I don't want anyone to think I am fostering hate....not at all.....just an observation over the past 10 years. I used to think it was a communication or language issue but now my opinion is that it is a blatent disregard for the regs due to the love of this fish.

[DAndrews]

"because it has historically been this culture that has refused to follow the rules established for the larger community"

Gee, sorta like watermen, huh Quinn?

Never mind...

[bookerreese]

My bet. If the "DNR" wanted to get them, they would. During the Rock season, if VMRC guys see an illegal fish returned to the water, you can still be ticketed--the interpretation is you cannot "....take..." the fish from the water. If you, in any way "....take..." the fish from the water, you now have "...possession..." of an illegal fish. Catch and release is done overboard without removing the fish. Yup, even A..H...s can get a badge. :pinch:
As for your shore-fishers & DNR, probably no money there--boaters have deeper pockets and attachable assets.:rolleyes:
You might have a better chance to let PETA harrass them for harming Seakittens!!:ibeillin:

budc

i agree with you budc!!!if this was rockfish DNR would hav made it their business to convict the perps!!!:nono:

[Capt.Nick]

The way to solve it is to put a "No trespassing"sign on the south jetty.

[fowl]

Quote:
Originally Posted by frankypettolina View Post
who is doing the shuttling? Why don't we take care of this "in house"
Hey Franky ,
It is Jason and the DNR has been checking them at the boat ramp on every trip . He is playing by the rules . i talked to the DNR guy and there are no live fish being landed and he just smiled and laughed when i asked him if these guys were really eating them out there on the jetty . We do not want to give these guys a chance to close off the N.Beach and jetty because someone thinks these guys are eating there bait out on the rocks . "The wedge " has been a local family/surf beach for so long it sure would suck to loose it because of all this . It is bad enough to have parts closed for piping clovers the birds that are supposed to make there nest in Canada .
Tommy
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[DAndrews]

My guess is that Jason is just trying to make a living...saw him out there Friday. Since I was friends with his dad, I consider Jason to be "hands off". I don't think he is breaking the law anyway but I know some will not appreciate what he is doing. That being said, I think this situation could get pretty ugly, especially considering the attention and outrage it is generating on this site and others. I noticed that the Coastal Fisherman has picked up on the situation and isn't shy about stating it's opinion. We all know that the south jetty has traditionally been one of OC's best spots for boat fishermen. Generally, the north jetty has all the shore fishermen and the boaters know this and keep their distance (most of the time). However, the south jetty could put the jetty fishermen and the boat fishermen real close together and it's never a good thing when lead is flying in opposite directions. To add to the problem is that the channel sweeps around close to the south jetty, further crowding the fishermen. Someone needs to transplant one of those nesting piping plovers from down south and plop it down next to the jetty.:yes:

[fowl]

Well all i can say is that when Jason is carting them around to the jetty he is not crabbing down in the Sinepuxent . So these guys are saving blue crabs lives and they don,t even know it .

[rocksteady]

Well all i can say is that when Jason is carting them around to the jetty he is not crabbing down in the Sinepuxent . So these guys are saving blue crabs lives and they don,t even know it .
So what ? Save a few crab lives while the tog population get's decimated ?

[fowl]

I got news for you every time a head boat and parks 30 or 40 people on top of a reef site or wreck and don,t leave until they have sucked the life out of it filling coolers , they do a whole lot more damage to the population than the chinos on the jetty are doing . I dare you to take on Victor or Monty .....

[DAndrews]

I dare you to take on Victor or Monty .....

It sounds like you just did....I think Monty would respectfully disagree with your claim that he "sucks the life out of the reef or wreck". If you knew Monty you would know that he goes out of his way to promote conservation and responsible fishing. He sets his limits higher than the law requires and has tagged and released thousands of fish.

[rocksteady]

I got news for you every time a head boat and parks 30 or 40 people on top of a reef site or wreck and don,t leave until they have sucked the life out of it filling coolers , they do a whole lot more damage to the population than the chinos on the jetty are doing . I dare you to take on Victor or Monty ..... I happen to know both Victor and Monty and can assure you that they won't do that . They are very conservation minded and know enough to leave a wreck alone for a while after fishing it .:yes:

[fowl]

I know the both too , As a matter of fact i all so know Dewitt the guy that started the reef program and back then they all said that it was going to off limits to head boats guess what not so . I do know that Monty has worked hard on the reef program and has put tags in countless female togs and that is a good thing . These guys are all just trying to make a living, so as long as everybody plays by the rules its all cool .

[rocksteady]

I know the both too , As a matter of fact i all so know Dewitt the guy that started the reef program and back then they all said that it was going to off limits to head boats guess what not so . I do know that Monty has worked hard on the reef program and has put tags in countless female togs and that is a good thing . These guys are all just trying to make a living, so as long as everybody plays by the rules its all cool .

There is no way you could make the artificial reefs off limits to just headboats anyway . The guys fishing from the south jetty aren't "making a living" from it , just pounding the same area day after day .

[fowl]

no you got it wrong they said they would NEVER take head boats there and that is not how it turned out to be . If you have ever fished a wreck after they have been there especially if you are sea bassing you know what I mean .

[gwaud]

On a serious note. What about the idea of everyone with animosity towards the south jetty poachers walk out there with cameras and cell phones or try to get NRP to send a plain clothes officer to monitor the situation like the do for some yellow perch spawn areas. The government can watch :eek2: N.Korea and the middle east from space but cannot get a case on people poaching from a jetty. I dont believe this. :helpsmilie:

[rocksteady]

no you got it wrong they said they would NEVER take head boats there and that is not how it turned out to be . If you have ever fished a wreck after they have been there especially if you are sea bassing you know what I mean .I've been a member of the Reef Foundation since it's inception and never heard anything about headboats not fishing in these locations .

I was the first mate that ever worked on the Ocean Princess my friend . I have been wreck fishing out of OC since the 60's . I have seen that fishery totally at it's nadir . I've also seen it rebound greatly . It will never be what it once was and alot of that is a direct result of no limits (size or creel) and over fishing .I can remember when people kept hundreds of 6 to 10" bass. I'd be happy if they lowered the creel limit to 15 or 20 bass .Let's get back to the point of this thread . The south jetty is a very small area that will never be able to sustain a healthy tog population if it's pounded every day throughout the year . That is the reason for concern .

[DAndrews]

Well, as if right on que I just noticed this posted on Coastal Fisherman....

"UPDATE: I do want to say that nobody should be taking their anger about this situation out on the Captain who is shuttling anglers over to Assateague. The man is doing NOTHING wrong. He has NEVER been caught with illegal fish on his boat. Everything he is doing is legal. I understand that some people are angry with the guy, and although I'm not sure I would ferry folks over to Assateague to fish off the South Jetty, I cannot fault the guy for trying to make money. I know the Captain and he is a good guy. Everyone should lay off him and focus on the real issues.

Yes, the capt. is a good kid who has had a rough life and doesn't need a bunch of crap from anyone. He's not doing anyththing illegal and actually his entrapranural spirit is kind of impressive considering no one else has ever attempted this.

[rich daiker]

I have to agree with Larry. I would not be the guy to shuttle them over, but someone surely would. The fact still remains, the fishermen are the ones that are breaking the law, not Jason.....I can tell you for sure---once the boat fisherman have had enough of sinkers being thrown at their boats while fishing the same waters they have fished forever, the shit is going to hit the fan, and it will get very ugly! I can only hope that DNR or the park rangers put this area off limits before it comes to that because from my conversations with DNR it is illegal to harass boaters fishing, period.....let alone killing illegal tog and eating them on the rocks:yes:

[DAndrews]

So would you say that the "Hack" who drives the stick-up boys to the bank is "OK" also? Or is he wrong since he knows they are going to break the law (or turns his head).

("Accessory after the Fact" is how it's worded if he brings them back after knowing they broke the law)

Read the post above yours.....it's not the capt. that is breaking the law....it's reportedly the fishermen that are fishing from the rocks, not his boat. Also, I imagine he is checking how many fish are being brought onto his boat so he doesn't get jammed up.

[fowl]

I've been a member of the Reef Foundation since it's inception and never heard anything about headboats not fishing in these locations .

I was the first mate that ever worked on the Ocean Princess my friend . I have been wreck fishing out of OC since the 60's . I have seen that fishery totally at it's nadir . I've also seen it rebound greatly . It will never be what it once was and alot of that is a direct result of no limits (size or creel) and over fishing .I can remember when people kept hundreds of 6 to 10" bass. I'd be happy if they lowered the creel limit to 15 or 20 bass .Let's get back to the point of this thread . The south jetty is a very small area that will never be able to sustain a healthy tog population if it's pounded every day throughout the year . That is the reason for concern .

well me and my company were big supporters of the reef right off the bat when Dewitt started it and i can promise you that it was never met for head boats . i bought a tank for our friend and customer Russell (Shark Cat the same guy the reef is named after ) we went up to Ft Dix NJ and got it and parked it out front of N Bay and we sold tanks that summer for 250$ theses are the tank clusters that you see on the charts . And back then when Monty got involved he said that he would never park a head boat there , guess what that was not true . Theses reefs were sent to grow fishing and boating in the Ocean City Md area not for anyone to make a living taking passengers out to them . they were put there so the small boat guy could get a taste of the wreck thing and hopefully get hooked on fishing in OCMD . They not put there so 5 head boat captains could make a living . Find Dewitt and ask him . By the way any body that has a small boat and wants to do some near shore tog fishing should be spending 20$ to join the reef thing and get the chart to theses sites .

[rocksteady]

well me and my company were big supporters of the reef right off the bat when Dewitt started it and i can promise you that it was never met for head boats . i bought a tank for our friend and customer Russell (Shark Cat the same guy the reef is named after ) we went up to Ft Dix NJ and got it and parked it out front of N Bay and we sold tanks that summer for 250$ theses are the tank clusters that you see on the charts . And back then when Monty got involved he said that he would never park a head boat there , guess what that was not true . Theses reefs were sent to grow fishing and boating in the Ocean City Md area not for anyone to make a living taking passengers out to them . they were put there so the small boat guy could get a taste of the wreck thing and hopefully get hooked on fishing in OCMD . They not put there so 5 head boat captains could make a living . Find Dewitt and ask him . By the way any body that has a small boat and wants to do some near shore tog fishing should be spending 20$ to join the reef thing and get the chart to theses sites .
It's $25.00 to join . Let me tell you one thing though . A lot of the #'s listed on those charts have nothing on them . We have tried many of the #'s to no avail . I fish quite often with a certain headboat captain on his private boat and we have tried and tried to find certain "reefs" and come up empty . I've experienced the same problem in mine and other's boats .
Pretty weird that #'s listed for a certain coast guard cutter are devoid of anything but flat bottom . You'd surely think that a boat of that size would be easy to locate if the #'s were accurate. Go figure .:confused:

[Chumbucket]

Well, as if right on que I just noticed this posted on Coastal Fisherman....

"UPDATE: I do want to say that nobody should be taking their anger about this situation out on the Captain who is shuttling anglers over to Assateague. The man is doing NOTHING wrong. He has NEVER been caught with illegal fish on his boat. Everything he is doing is legal. I understand that some people are angry with the guy, and although I'm not sure I would ferry folks over to Assateague to fish off the South Jetty, I cannot fault the guy for trying to make money. I know the Captain and he is a good guy. Everyone should lay off him and focus on the real issues.

Yes, the capt. is a good kid who has had a rough life and doesn't need a bunch of crap from anyone. He's not doing anyththing illegal and actually his entrapranural spirit is kind of impressive considering no one else has ever attempted this.

Yeah, the same could be said for the Wall Street credit default swap worms...You know, things have gotten pretty messed up when the standards for ethical behavior begin and end at, "Well, it's not illegal."

[fowl]

It's $25.00 to join . Let me tell you one thing though . A lot of the #'s listed on those charts have nothing on them . We have tried many of the #'s to no avail . I fish quite often with a certain headboat captain on his private boat and we have tried and tried to find certain "reefs" and come up empty . I've experienced the same problem in mine and other's boats .
Pretty weird that #'s listed for a certain coast guard cutter are devoid of anything but flat bottom . You'd surely think that a boat of that size would be easy to locate if the #'s were accurate. Go figure .:confused:

That kind of funny , me and my sun have noticed the same thing to ,but all the latest charts have been made after a certain head boat capt toke over the reef club . We kid about sneaking in Greg Halls boat and getting the #,s out of them . All that stuff is out there . the hunting and finding it is all part of the fun . Once you find them you will keep coming back I think some of the stuff gets covered by sand a lot of the time . The whole point of the reef thing was to make good fishing spots available to the small boat guy and his family to go have some fun fishing . Hope fully there kids will get hooked on fishing in OC too and will pass the fun down to there kids as well .Getting in sinker battles the Koreans is what this not some thing that you want to pass on to your kids .. I called Larry last nite another customer and friend and told him about this thread so I hope you all see his up date !!!!! The point is that we all have to follow the rules no matter who we are or where we are fishing or what boat we are fishing on . You guys need to get back and remember this fishing thing is a fun thing !!! as long as everbody follows the rules that is what it will be .
nuff said

[rocksteady]

That kind of funny , me and my sun have noticed the same thing to ,but all the latest charts have been made after a certain head boat capt toke over the reef club . We kid about sneaking in Greg Halls boat and getting the #,s out of them . All that stuff is out there . the hunting and finding it is all part of the fun . Once you find them you will keep coming back I think some of the stuff gets covered by sand a lot of the time . The whole point of the reef thing was to make good fishing spots available to the small boat guy and his family to go have some fun fishing . Hope fully there kids will get hooked on fishing in OC too and will pass the fun down to there kids as well .Getting in sinker battles the Koreans is what this not some thing that you want to pass on to your kids .. I called Larry last nite another customer and friend and told him about this thread so I hope you all see his up date !!!!! The point is that we all have to follow the rules no matter who we are or where we are fishing or what boat we are fishing on . You guys need to get back and remember this fishing thing is a fun thing !!! as long as everbody follows the rules that is what it will be .
nuff said I agree with what you are saying in this reply about sand covering some stuff , but a big a$$ cutter ? Hard to believe that at least a small part of it doesn't show up on sonar .:confused:

[FishBonzs]

If your going to take pictures, use a 35 mm...Digital camers will not hold up in court according to DNR

[Steve F]

If your going to take pictures, use a 35 mm...Digital camers will not hold up in court according to DNR

I know for a fact that digital pictures "WILL" hold up in court, I know this because I have used them on several cases I had. Keep in mine a date and time is critical on the photograph and I never had an Defense Attorney ever question them...

[rocksteady]

I know for a fact that digital pictures "WILL" hold up in court, I know this because I have used them on several cases I had. Keep in mine a date and time is critical on the photograph and I never had an Defense Attorney ever question them...
Any redheads in those pics Steve ?:D:eek2:

[FishBonzs]

Just passing on what DNR told me when I question about someone fishing my crab pots. They advised to use date & time on the film...

[Mercutio]

This thread should be locked and some bans handed out.

[rich daiker]

And why is that??

[rocksteady]

This thread should be locked and some bans handed out.
And who the hell do you think you are ?:confused: 55 posts and are trying to regulate the board ? Could this be you at the south jetty ? http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u240/stromus/Anocall.gif Oops , sorry , just KenY in drag. http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u240/stromus/Gifs%20for%20threads/oddjobshoe.gif http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u240/stromus/Gifs%20for%20threads/_rotfman.gif

[KenY]

Oh crap.....I just got outted !!! YOU BASTARD !!!

[Krabill]

If he did not take them then they could not poach, agreed?



Not Agreed, im sure the south jetty is not the only place that has ever had an illegal fish taken.


Jason is just tryin to make a buck on the water, somthing not too easy to do anymore, he is all legal, if he stops doing it someone will sure take his place.

Dont shoot the messenger.

[DAndrews]

What Krabill said.....
Jason isn't going to get jammed up by contributing too, or participating in, poaching. As far as I know he's not fishing with the fishermen on the rocks and I'm pretty sure he's checking what comes on his boat. What goes on on the rocks is another issue and some pretty reputable long time local fishermen have stated on here that illegal actitivity is occurring.... but Jason would have no control over this. Finally the other issue is whether this area would get cleaned out under this new fishing pressure? I don't know the answer to that question.

[rocksteady]

What Krabill said.....
Jason isn't going to get jammed up by contributing too, or participating in, poaching. As far as I know he's not fishing with the fishermen on the rocks and I'm pretty sure he's checking what comes on his boat. What goes on on the rocks is another issue and some pretty reputable long time local fishermen have stated on here that illegal actitivity is occurring.... but Jason would have no control over this. Finally the other issue is whether this area would get cleaned out under this new fishing pressure? I don't know the answer to that question. If all of the local tackle shops are running out of green crabs on a regular basis , I would say that the south jetty fish population is in some serious peril .

[DAndrews]

So if someone had asked "JASON" to drive them to the bank, and they get out of the car with a mask on and go into the bank with a gun......

......never mind.....I understand he's your friend and you just don't get it, or refuse to believe that he is contribution to the problem

I guess in your anology you are suggesting that Jason is an accessory....which assumes he is knowingly contributing to the fishermen breaking the law. I say he is providing a ferry service that he would probably provide to anyone that is interested in fishing there and would have no way of knowing who was going there to break the law and who wasn't? I still say there is no way he is letting the fishermen bring back fish on his boat that are illegal and I would be willing to bet he is getting checked frequently by DNR.

[bel air fishman]

Are you guys saying that you know for a fact that poaching is going on on a regular basis, have observed it from across the inlet and the guy that takes them there every day is oblivious to what is going on? Or are you saying that he is only trying to make a living and as long as he doesnt allow shorts on his boat, it's OK?

I find it hard to swallow that if the situation is as bad and as flagrant as many have said it is, the guy taking them there doesn't know whats going on. Come on, that's absurd.

Or maybe because they know him and know he's one of "us".

[fowl]

guys for the last time THERE IS NO POACHING GOING ON AT THE SO JETTY Jason is checking there coolers before he lets them in his his boat (he is there only ride back to main land ) and the DNR is checking on every trip so if any of you have any proof that there any poaching going on than put your pics on this site give them to the DNR call Obama if you see it report it . Stop reporting on something some else has said that they have seen . If you want to fish the jetty with out them there , than wake earlier , beat them to the spot . Report what you see and not what you hear !!!!
Tommy

[rich daiker]

Hey bel air...you seem to be avoiding the truth and just looking to start shit. If Jason is breaking the law, then he should get what is comming to him, just as the ones that are killing the tog and eating them on the rocks should get what they deserve. If Jason is just making a buck being a "ferry" for fishermen, then so be it. I would not do it, but that is just me. You seem to have a larger steak in this since you have been on the side of the "illegals"....BTW,.how is that raw tog?

[rocksteady]

guys for the last time THERE IS NO POACHING GOING ON AT THE SO JETTY Jason is checking there coolers before he lets them in his his boat (he is there only ride back to main land ) and the DNR is checking on every trip so if any of you have any proof that there any poaching going on than put your pics on this site give them to the DNR call Obama if you see it report it . Stop reporting on something some else has said that they have seen . If you want to fish the jetty with out them there , than wake earlier , beat them to the spot . Report what you see and not what you hear !!!!
Tommy

Fowl , just can't handle the truth eh ? Rich , Lance and others have said that they have witnessed it . I've got to agree with Rich on this . I've known Jason since he was a young boy and really can't say anything bad about him . I don't however , agree with what he's doing . I would think that he of all people should know the potential damage being done to the resource . I wonder what people like Nick Clemente of the Get Sum have to say about this practice ? I see him fishing the tip of the jetty all the time and if the togging drops off significantly it will hurt is charter business for sure .

[bel air fishman]

Rich-
I'm really not trying to start any crap. Just seems like a bit of a double standard. Actually was glad to see Rocksteady's post that he (the guy running the shuttle) should know better. I have no animosity towards the guy, I assume he's a good guy like everyone has said and just trying to make a buck.
Not sure what you meant by having a stake in this and how is the raw tog. Assume you think that I am asian. I'm not and am probably one of the "whitest" guys you would ever meet. My last name is Dashiell, family history in Maryland goes back to 1650 or so here and ther are plenty of us with the same name down there- check the phone book. My father's side was mostly from the Rock Hall area and I have to tell you that as a kid- now I'm going back 35 or 40 years, there wasn't a lot of regard for the fish and game laws. Oversize rock brought in from the nets in the spring, oysters out of season, undersize crabs, way over limits on ducks and geese, etc. I remember even eating a small sturgeon once. It was just the way it was. As I got older and saw the damage done and the decline in water quality, my attitude changed drastically. My point is that I think a lot of the people there poaching are probably first generation here and have a different attitude and in time the culture will change. They definitely should be stopped and punished in the meantime and I am in no way condoning what they are doing.
Having said that, I guess I do have somewhat of a stake in what has been posted here. Several years ago, I was remarried to a wonderful Korean woman. She has been here for 25 years, is a citizen and has less tolerance for someone here illegally than I do. Probably since she learned the launguage and became a citizen legally. She has 3 sons- the oldest serves in the air force and the youngest joined the army at 18 and died in Iraq this past November at age 19. She is, of course, terribly grief stricken, but at the same time is very proud that her son wanted to do something for this country. As a result, I now have very little tolerance for comments and attitudes that unfortunately I run into all the time. Not specifically by you, but there have been some comments on this thread that, in my opinion, have been across the line. For instance, there was a comment that one of the people posting must be oriental himself or married to an oriental that was bought and paid for. I will say this, if anyone ever said that directly to me in the presence of wife instead hiding behind a keyboard, it would be the last time it happened. I would hope that you or anyone else reading this would do the same if someone implied that your wife was a whore.
I never said that the people doing the poaching shouldn't be punished. My problem has been with some of the attitude here. I don't see how that translates on being "on the side of the illegals". If that's your perspective, so be it; we'll agree to disagree.
I have a place in O.C. and I'm going to take a look this weekend and see first hand. If I see anything, I assure you, I'll also make a call to the DNR.
Peace

[crabby and son]

guys for the last time THERE IS NO POACHING GOING ON AT THE SO JETTY Jason is checking there coolers before he lets them in his his boat (he is there only ride back to main land ) and the DNR is checking on every trip so if any of you have any proof that there any poaching going on than put your pics on this site give them to the DNR call Obama if you see it report it . Stop reporting on something some else has said that they have seen . If you want to fish the jetty with out them there , than wake earlier , beat them to the spot . Report what you see and not what you hear !!!!
Tommy

eating tog on the jetty:confused:.........Gary

[home cookin']

Guys. I've been watching this for a while. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts. A large group of people fishing, of any ethnic or social group, does not prove poaching. Fishermen catching shorts is not poaching; keeping them is poaching. Disregard seeing shorts on the hook; what's going in the cooler? According to the facts, their coolers are regularly checked by the boat driver and DNR on shore, and we have no reported incidents of shorts in possession or over-limit. As for the rumor of the fishermen eating shorts raw in furtherance of the crime, we have no proof, nor do we know how many--do you think all 20 fishermen gobble up 10 fish each? Hide them in body cavities? It may be wrong to do so, but a few eaten raw doesn't materially hurt the population any more than eating a few strawberries in the pick-ur-own field hurts the farmer. So if you want to solve the fish population problem, give your time, energy and money to fight non-source point pollution and to improve water quality.
Here's how I deal with my teenagers when they say "everyone's doing it." Get me a list of 10 and then we'll talk. One or two doesn't prove anything. So come back with mor ethan anecdotal evidence here.
BTW you can check the county court records for violations.
FTR I don't know anyone; never been there; not standing up for or shouting down anyone. Just a neutral observer.

[fowl]

like I said if YOU see it take a pic and post it .Nick takes his clients to the reef ,much better fishing and no koreans .Nicks # is 410-430-5709 call him and ask him how he feels . Don,t guess how he does .

[rocksteady]

like I said if YOU see it take a pic and post it .Nick takes his clients to the reef ,much better fishing and no koreans .Nicks # is 410-430-5709 call him and ask him how he feels . Don,t guess how he does .
I see Nick at the jetty at least 3 or 4 times a week . Calling me a liar ?

[fowl]

yeah when he is striper fishing , i see him at russels reef when he is tog , you calling me a liar ????? like i said call him yourself !!!!

[rocksteady]

yeah when he is striper fishing , i see him at russels reef when he is tog , you calling me a liar ????? like i said call him yourself !!!! I see him togging at the South Jetty all the time ! I don't need to call him . You need to get off of it . I watched him strugging with his double anchor set up a week ago dude .

[rich daiker]

Again, I have personally seen the filleted remains being thrown off the jetty and I have called DNR. I have not taken the time to hang out and take pics since my time is sometimes limited to spending time with my family fishing, but the fact still remains that it is being done...BTW, what is the explaination / reason for them launching 4 oz sinkers at the boats that are also trying to fish for tog as well???? How far is this going to go before someone gets hurt????? I can only hope that DNR / Park Rangers put an end to this soon, because I know if its my boat that gets hit, there will be issues

[fowl]

I see him togging at the South Jetty all the time ! I don't need to call him . You need to get off of it . I watched him strugging with his double anchor set up a week ago dude .

I,am not a dude !!!! You need to get off it . You have not listened to any of the facts in this whole tread . All you want to do is start crap . If you got some thing to say to me i am at the harbor every morning at Doug Akes dropping my son off at work . we can talk to Jason, Nick and who ever you want to ....

[bel air fishman]

Rich -
You get a chance to read my post? Just wondering what you meant by your post to me. Did you really think I was of the one's on the jetty eating the tog? Not trying to be smart, am just curious.

[rich daiker]

bel air...I have read them all from the start. To me, you seemed to be on the side of the poachers. If I took that wrong, I am sorry. I know what I have seen and it is not an isolated case. I have seen them in other locations taking limits of tog to cars / vans and then returning to fish again. My beef was never with you (or Jason), it is with the poachers

As for the Asian part, I made no comments about you or your wife. It has been proven and written in a well publized fishing mag that the asian poachers are killing tons of illegal tog. Tog if one of the slowest growing fish in the sea and cannot randle being raped like the BFT have been by the Asians over seas. I do not intend this to be a racist issue, but more a culteral one. They have survived off the ocean for centuries, but times have change, and the raping needs to stop or my grandkids my never know what a tog looks like w/o studing a history book. If I have offended anyone, I am sorry, that was not my intent....unless you are one of the sinker slinging poachers

[bel air fishman]

Rich-
Thanks for the comments. It wasn't you that the part about the insult was directed. I thought I addressed that in my previous post. Just cause you didn't say it doesn't make it OK.
We agree that it is a cultural thing, the exact point I was trying to make in reference to my own past experiences. We have our own groups that have historically have been over exploiting the resources, and it continues to this day, sometimes even with the government's help (oysters, yellow perch for ex). Look at what used to be here- sturgeon, reefs of oysters, shad, rafts of ducks, etc, etc., the list goes on. I don't know how old you are, but it's a shame that I have to tell my son what it was like when I was a kid. When i was growing up, I heard from the elders in my family what is was like when they were young. As time goes on, we just keep accepting less and less as the norm. We haven't learned our own lessons yet. How many pounds of Rock were involved in the recent case where somebody finally went to jail?

The asians don't have a monopoly on raping the resources by any means. They just got into the game a little later.

Don't know how you thought I was on the side of the poachers. I've said in every post they should be caught and punished. Don't know how to be more clear. Guess I wasn't calling for things to be thrown at them or washed off the rocks as others have.

[rich daiker]

If things dont change with them throwing the sinkers, them being washed off the rocks will be the least of their problems. If you are down this weekend, ride over and look for your self and see what I have seen over and over again

[bel air fishman]

Definitely going to check it out. Like I said before, if I witness it, I'll be calling the DNR also. If enough call, maybe they'll do a little more. I have no doubt it's happening. My beef has been with some of the sometimes overt racism. I hope you understand that and why.

[rich daiker]

I do understand.....keep your head down as you approach the south tip.
Rich:thumbup:

[rocksteady]

I,am not a dude !!!! You need to get off it . You have not listened to any of the facts in this whole tread . All you want to do is start crap . If you got some thing to say to me i am at the harbor every morning at Doug Akes dropping my son off at work . we can talk to Jason, Nick and who ever you want to ....
You are worse than any moonbat I've ever seen ! Deny , deny , deny !
What "Facts". So if you're not a "dude" , what are you ? http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs007.snc1/4432_1162676350613_1338986770_30455586_1700127_n.j pg ?:eek2::confused::D This didn't have to go this far . You are the one in denial about the whole situation . I'm done here . I know what I've seen and so does Rich.

[fishfearme]

I cannot believe I just read this whole thread. what a waste of time

[fowl]

like i said i am at the harbor every morning , bring it on !!!!

[TUNALUNATIC]

Did the guy who took way to many tog for one day and admitted this on an open site go to the DNR yet? What happened?

[longfin2]

For the record, i have nothing against Jason. He is a great guy and trying to make some cash. I didn't even know it was him doing the shuttling.

[fowl]

Did the guy who took way to many tog for one day and admitted this on an open site go to the DNR yet? What happened?

Well, who is it? Making a statement like that without saying who it is some serious keyboard hiding
Mr alltackle is referring to me. Back in the fall of '07 I took a couple of guys togging on my boat . The bite was incredible at the south jetty . After limiting out , we came back to the dock and went to Jeff's house in West OC so I could show them how to clean the fish . Later that afternoon I went back out with my friend Mark and we caught another 7 fish . In reality , I was guilty of exceeding my daily creel limit of 5 fish . When it was brought to my attention , I realized my mistake . The bite was so good that we got caught up in the heat of the moment . I will not deny that yes , I broke the law that day . May I add though , that I've never done it again since that day and it wasn't my intention to try and get over on the system . I've got the balls to admit when I was wrong and would also think that the people who are trying to defend what the folks on the south jetty are doing would just man up and realize the truth rather than turn this into a racial issue . Last Saturday it was virtually impossible to to fish from a boat anywhere along the south jetty other than the very tip , which can't really be accessed by someone on foot . Guess what ? Very little room for more than 2 or 3 boats to anchor up at the tip without causing a major cluster f#$@ . It would be one thing if these esteemed tog fishermen would just drop there baits down into the rocks near the jetty where the tog live , but no ! They were casting out with large sinkers 30 to 40 yards into the channel . Happy now mdstripers ? I know who you are and your true agenda .
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[mdstripers]

Did the guy who took way to many tog for one day and admitted this on an open site go to the DNR yet? What happened?

No, but the poacher (PoachSteady) in question definitely seems to be an expert on the issue. I guess having so much first hand knowledge on poaching gives him insight that non-poachers simply do not have.

http://www.tidalfish.com/photopost/data/500/poachsteady.jpg

[fowl]

It s kind of funny that he is the only one in this thread that someone has pic evidence of poaching and he has got the loudest key boards on the whole thing . Go figure

[crabby and son]

All this and nothing has been accomplished:confused: just pissing each other off............Gary

[TUNALUNATIC]

Well, who is it? Making a statement like that without saying who it is some serious keyboard hiding
Mr alltackle is referring to me. Back in the fall of '07 I took a couple of guys togging on my boat . The bite was incredible at the south jetty . After limiting out , we came back to the dock and went to Jeff's house in West OC so I could show them how to clean the fish . Later that afternoon I went back out with my friend Mark and we caught another 7 fish . In reality , I was guilty of exceeding my daily creel limit of 5 fish . When it was brought to my attention , I realized my mistake . The bite was so good that we got caught up in the heat of the moment . I will not deny that yes , I broke the law that day . May I add though , that I've never done it again since that day and it wasn't my intention to try and get over on the system . I've got the balls to admit when I was wrong and would also think that the people who are trying to defend what the folks on the south jetty are doing would just man up and realize the truth rather than turn this into a racial issue . Last Saturday it was virtually impossible to to fish from a boat anywhere along the south jetty other than the very tip , which can't really be accessed by someone on foot . Guess what ? Very little room for more than 2 or 3 boats to anchor up at the tip without causing a major cluster f#$@ . It would be one thing if these esteemed tog fishermen would just drop there baits down into the rocks near the jetty where the tog live , but no ! They were casting out with large sinkers 30 to 40 yards into the channel . Happy now mdstripers ? I know who you are and your true agenda .
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What statement are you talking about??? I am not hiding....I just read over this quickly and saw someone admit to poaching(you i guess) and thought I read that you were going to the DNR. I was just curious what happened???
So did you ever go and what happened? Not trying to start anything...just curious what the punishment for having pics of to many tog and admitting it on the world wide web?