Do the commercials own the river?

[Dwayne E]

This is the second time I have heard first hand about a commercial crabber threatening another crabber on the Tred Avon. Close friend went to tred today and gets a call from another person he knows that a commercial crabber + 3 more threatened him. They run out to assist. By the time he get there these 4 boats have him surrounded and were threatening harm to him and will ram his boat if he did not pull up and move. Once they see someone else they back off some and throw some words to my buddy and the guy they were already harassing. My buddy starts to move on because it seemed to calm down after about 5 minutes and as they look back the original commercial guy pulls up and cuts the line. Then leaves. They call in DNR and DNR pulls in the commercial guy to see what happens. Commercial says he did not do it. Another crabber come over and to tell DNR what they seen. Now 5 are witness to event. DNR's response, your word against theres and does nothing. 5 to 1, come on.
This person that was threatened holds a commercial license also, he was also well away from the commercails line. He did ask the local comm were his line was laying as not to cross it ( if you have crabbed the tred you know what I mean), response was go back to the f-in ramp you f-in chicken necker. He figures his lay and lays out his line. Then all he** breaks loose. 3 more boats there in minutes. Very similar incident happened to my cousins husband 2 years ago.
I know they are trying to make a living but come on, surround a guys boat and threaten him. If he was in the wrong call DNR. They do not own the river. They are entitled to a spot over rec, if they are there first, I say first because my cousins husband was told to pull his line so a commercial could lay his line in the spot( this was @7am). And rec must stay the legal limit away, most are way more then the legal limit. The ones that are not should be dealt with by DNR, not the crabbers themselfs.
Commercials response when they told him they called DNR was, I am a local comm and they will not do a damn thing to me. He was right. What a way to start the holiday.

[crabby and son]

Not all comms are that way but I have seen the attitude before also. I guess the rec crabbers are just a pain in their a$$. I crab for fun and a little eats so I don't go much on weekends or holidays. It is very crowded out there and crabs are not worth fighting for. I laid my first trap near a comm last week as I didn't see his third marker and he was less than polite to my oversight and I just picked up, said I'm sorry and moved. DNR has always been partial to the watermen as they get to know these guys out there all the time.........Gary

[phillyfire]

everybody seems to come in second to the commercial crabber even the resource.!:eek2: This may sound harsh but the business has a history of stripping the resources thru overfishing happens with every species.

[Dave Jr.]

I stay away from everybody. LOL

[Ida Mae]

:popcorn::popcorn:just some of us:D

[Butthead]

everybody seems to come in second to the commercial crabber even the resource.!:eek2:

Now that was a bit un-called for....I crab under a commercial license, and I certainly dont think I need to be lumped in with these obvious un-educated idiotic crabbers I have heard about on the shore.

Its happened to friends of mine before over there. The bottom line is, I catch much better crabs on the western side without the headaches!

[C-Hawk18]

This is the second time I have heard first hand about a commercial crabber threatening another crabber on the Tred Avon.

I think this would probably be the first time you heard second hand.....cause it was your Friend's friend who was threatened.....right? You also say that once they saw the other boat they backed off.....so if the 2nd hand didn't actually see, or hear anything then it's all just Hearsay anyway.

And that Commercial probably did own the water cause I heard (second hand) that there is a section of the Tred that has a deeded bottom.....and if the bottom is deeded then he would own it.....right? Maybe it's the same spot? Better tell your friend, to tell his friend, cause next time he might get charged with trespassing....

[localwaterboy]

as a matter of fact some of us comm do own parts of the river..... many of us have oyster beds that we own in the river. On another note I have had a run in with a rec. a little different but it goes to show not all recs are great people either- laid my line out same as any other day 300 yards or so away was another comm....78yrs old, the rec shows up lays traps between us and ran wide open to each trap, nearly throwing the old man off his boat numerous times due to his wake....I went over, let him know what was happening and asked him nicely to either slow down or move to which he made a smart comment and did neither. Next day same thing, except i told him to move that now I was getting pissed. He did not move again, i pulled up my line and dared him to come back the next day.....to which he did, and when he did I had a full hopper in my paintball gun at mabey 30 feet that i unloaded on him, his buddy, and their boat and yelled out the next day they would be real. Never came back, but I sure hope he still has bruises and welts from them paintballs..as the old man had his share of bruises from him.

[mburrows870]

Localwaterboy...He may have been a moron but you assualted him. I would have had you arrested, there is never reason to do that to someone. As for the Tred I've had an experience with a comm as well. I said hi to the guy and he went ballistic on me, just ranting and raving and throwing stuff around. A little later he was running circles around another comm boat and I think they rammed each other. Way too much tension out there.

[crabby and son]

as a matter of fact some of us comm do own parts of the river..... many of us have oyster beds that we own in the river. On another note I have had a run in with a rec. a little different but it goes to show not all recs are great people either- laid my line out same as any other day 300 yards or so away was another comm....78yrs old, the rec shows up lays traps between us and ran wide open to each trap, nearly throwing the old man off his boat numerous times due to his wake....I went over, let him know what was happening and asked him nicely to either slow down or move to which he made a smart comment and did neither. Next day same thing, except i told him to move that now I was getting pissed. He did not move again, i pulled up my line and dared him to come back the next day.....to which he did, and when he did I had a full hopper in my paintball gun at mabey 30 feet that i unloaded on him, his buddy, and their boat and yelled out the next day they would be real. Never came back, but I sure hope he still has bruises and welts from them paintballs..as the old man had his share of bruises from him.

That's the kind of thing that gives the comms a bad name. Sure the guy was wrong for throwing a wake that endangered another boater but shooting at some one with a paint ball gun is totally uncalled for. Why does it have to be comms against recs. Both parties are doing the same thing......catching crabs. I'm glad I don't think or act like either party involved in this story............Gary

[Pinchy03]

Well what is going to seem like a common theme for this thread but I also have had a run in with some crazy stupid low life commercial crabber out there on the Tred. He is lucky I don't live down there and know him or where he lived b/c it would have been on.

[localwaterboy]

I would have taken the arrest/charge with no prob and done it again the next day while out on bail.....and it just happened to be a rec, I would have done the same if it was a commercial guy.....just seems the comms (at least those on the river every day) have respect for other guys out there. While most recs are great to deal with out there, there are a few that give them a bad name just like there are a few of us comm that give a bad name too i guess.

[Johnfishes]

Do the commercials own the river?

Ask anyone of them and they will tell you they own the river and every crab in it.

[Dwayne E]

I think this would probably be the first time you heard second hand.....cause it was your Friend's friend who was threatened.....right? You also say that once they saw the other boat they backed off.....so if the 2nd hand didn't actually see, or hear anything then it's all just Hearsay anyway.

And that Commercial probably did own the water cause I heard (second hand) that there is a section of the Tred that has a deeded bottom.....and if the bottom is deeded then he would own it.....right? Maybe it's the same spot? Better tell your friend, to tell his friend, cause next time he might get charged with trespassing....
He was there for a good portion of the event, and had a visual to the cutting of the line. The main problem is DNR. Not doing anything about the line cutting. The local knowing they are above the law. If the guys was in the wrong the comm should of called DNR and let them handle it. They did not because he was not wrong.
Tell me how public waters are deeded to one. I have had incidents on the Tred with comm and have had no problem with them. But to surround together and threaten someone. One day the numbers are going to be on the other side.

[skirtchaser]

I don't post much but had the same run in the other day in the potomac. I saw the bullying first hand this time but he messed with the wrong rec crabber. Leave it at that.............................
Skirt

[lance644]

Tred Avon this time of the year is a zoo. Last 2 years I have not gone down there until after Labor Day. Hopefully the crabs will start to spread out more and relieve some pressure on the river.
Lance

[crabby and son]

I would have taken the arrest/charge with no prob and done it again the next day while out on bail.....and it just happened to be a rec, I would have done the same if it was a commercial guy.....just seems the comms (at least those on the river every day) have respect for other guys out there. While most recs are great to deal with out there, there are a few that give them a bad name just like there are a few of us comm that give a bad name too i guess.

Is a crab worth going to jail, an arrest record and public humiliation? I am very non confrontational and will move my traps or lines to avoid a conflict BUT am also a retired police officer and respond differently to being shot at. Paint balls or otherwise. Be careful and think a little more before you act.........it's not worth it. I'd like to see you live to grow up and ENJOY your life ................Gary

[Burchbeer]

Well said Gary! Well said!

[BowMovements]

He was there for a good portion of the event, and had a visual to the cutting of the line. The main problem is DNR. Not doing anything about the line cutting. The local knowing they are above the law. If the guys was in the wrong the comm should of called DNR and let them handle it. They did not because he was not wrong.
Tell me how public waters are deeded to one. I have had incidents on the Tred with comm and have had no problem with them. But to surround together and threaten someone. One day the numbers are going to be on the other side.

Bottoms and shoals can be deeded due to erosion and waters flowing where water once did not flow. There for the bottom can be owned but the water is regulated by DNR not local police. My buddie has an island in Days cove that eroded and separated. He had to fight DNR to keep rights because they said he owned one but not the other. He won. The islands and the land beneath where water now flows through. Just an for instance.

[C-Hawk18]

Tell me how public waters are deeded to one...

Below is exactly what I am talking about, bottom deeded, not WATER. Like I said though, just like YOU, I got the info on the Tred "Second Hand" so I don't know how true it really is....


Bottoms and shoals can be deeded due to erosion and waters flowing where water once did not flow. There for the bottom can be owned but the water is regulated by DNR not local police. My buddie has an island in Days cove that eroded and separated. He had to fight DNR to keep rights because they said he owned one but not the other. He won. The islands and the land beneath where water now flows through. Just an for instance.

[Shoremanlax]

what were the boat names??

[Dwayne E]

Bottoms and shoals can be deeded due to erosion and waters flowing where water once did not flow. There for the bottom can be owned but the water is regulated by DNR not local police. My buddie has an island in Days cove that eroded and separated. He had to fight DNR to keep rights because they said he owned one but not the other. He won. The islands and the land beneath where water now flows through. Just an for instance.

Very unique situation. And is not the norm in public waters and did not have anything to do with this situation. And if it did the thing to do was call DNR and not cut the mans line. Unless you knew that nothing would be done about it.
I did not get the name of the boats from him.

[rj]

This is the second time I have heard first hand about a commercial crabber threatening another crabber on the Tred Avon. Close friend went to tred today and gets a call from another person he knows that a commercial crabber + 3 more threatened him. They run out to assist. By the time he get there these 4 boats have him surrounded and were threatening harm to him and will ram his boat if he did not pull up and move. Once they see someone else they back off some and throw some words to my buddy and the guy they were already harassing. My buddy starts to move on because it seemed to calm down after about 5 minutes and as they look back the original commercial guy pulls up and cuts the line. Then leaves. They call in DNR and DNR pulls in the commercial guy to see what happens. Commercial says he did not do it. Another crabber come over and to tell DNR what they seen. Now 5 are witness to event. DNR's response, your word against theres and does nothing. 5 to 1, come on.
This person that was threatened holds a commercial license also, he was also well away from the commercails line. He did ask the local comm were his line was laying as not to cross it ( if you have crabbed the tred you know what I mean), response was go back to the f-in ramp you f-in chicken necker. He figures his lay and lays out his line. Then all he** breaks loose. 3 more boats there in minutes. Very similar incident happened to my cousins husband 2 years ago.
I know they are trying to make a living but come on, surround a guys boat and threaten him. If he was in the wrong call DNR. They do not own the river. They are entitled to a spot over rec, if they are there first, I say first because my cousins husband was told to pull his line so a commercial could lay his line in the spot( this was @7am). And rec must stay the legal limit away, most are way more then the legal limit. The ones that are not should be dealt with by DNR, not the crabbers themselfs.
Commercials response when they told him they called DNR was, I am a local comm and they will not do a damn thing to me. He was right. What a way to start the holiday.


TROLL!!
& look how many he has caught already with just second hand info & hearsay:clapping2::clapping2:

how about a first hand report fron someone actually involved in this incident.????

[rj]

as a matter of fact some of us comm do own parts of the river..... many of us have oyster beds that we own in the river. On another note I have had a run in with a rec. a little different but it goes to show not all recs are great people either- laid my line out same as any other day 300 yards or so away was another comm....78yrs old, the rec shows up lays traps between us and ran wide open to each trap, nearly throwing the old man off his boat numerous times due to his wake....I went over, let him know what was happening and asked him nicely to either slow down or move to which he made a smart comment and did neither. Next day same thing, except i told him to move that now I was getting pissed. He did not move again, i pulled up my line and dared him to come back the next day.....to which he did, and when he did I had a full hopper in my paintball gun at mabey 30 feet that i unloaded on him, his buddy, and their boat and yelled out the next day they would be real. Never came back, but I sure hope he still has bruises and welts from them paintballs..as the old man had his share of bruises from him.

Annother TROll!!:clap:

If this incident were real, the person commiting these illegal acts would not be dumb enough to brag about it on an internet message board!!

Time to stop replying to garbage such as this!

[Dwayne E]

RJ not a troll. Look back at any of my post. I do not troll. I have never heard of any problems with full time comm crabbers on any river like you hear about on Tred Avon. This is the second time in 3 years from 2 different people, that were surround, threaten to ram their boat and feared for there life over crabs. As for waterboy who knows.
I see that you are a comm waterman, trying to miss direct?

[localwaterboy]

Annother TROll!!:clap:

If this incident were real, the person commiting these illegal acts would not be dumb enough to brag about it on an internet message board!!

Time to stop replying to garbage such as this!

not a troll, happened 3 yrs ago on the pax.....and I believe you know the old man.

[BowMovements]

Very unique situation. And is not the norm in public waters and did not have anything to do with this situation. And if it did the thing to do was call DNR and not cut the mans line. Unless you knew that nothing would be done about it.
I did not get the name of the boats from him.

It is a unique situation, and it has everything to do with the question that was asked about ownership. I am not saying that it makes the comms actions right!. As I said, it was just an "FOR INSTANCE". :hammer:

[BowMovements]

RJ not a troll. Look back at any of my post. I do not troll. I have never heard of any problems with full time comm crabbers on any river like you hear about on Tred Avon. This is the second time in 3 years from 2 different people, that were surround, threaten to ram their boat and feared for there life over crabs. As for waterboy who knows.
I see that you are a comm waterman, trying to miss direct?

2 times in 3 years???? That ain't bad if you think about it. So out of the approx. 630 days of possible crabbing in the past three years you only "heard" of this 2 times. I actually congradulate comms everywhere for their continued patience with recreational crabbers. Thats an AWESOME record!:clap::clap::clapping2::clapping2:

[crabtracker]

comm;s don't own the water,but many of them think they do. first on the spot gets it,as long as you are there at a legal time,a rule that is ignored by some,both comm's and rec's. as far as shooting someone with a paintball gun,you need to think long and hard before you try a stupid stunt like that again! you don't want to find out the hard way that some folk's don't carry paintball guns, they use real ones!

[BowMovements]

Yeah a paint ball gun is too far! He could have killed someone. Very dangerous!

[crabtracker]

Yeah a paint ball gun is too far! He could have killed someone. Very dangerous!

no, my concern was him getting himself killed by underestimating his opponent.:yes:

[BowMovements]

Your horrible. LOL

[crabtracker]

Your horrible. LOL

yes maybe i am,but you should never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a toy either.

[BowMovements]

:thumbup: with ya on that brotha!

[bayhead]

BRANDON - Enough is enough - let's end all this hate talk - it's not what this forum is all about - When threats get bantered about it's time to end the discussion.:nono:

Please - Moderate it off. I don't think we want kids or others for that matter reading this garbage .

[BowMovements]

What are you talking about?? We are degrading his paintball escapade. The rest is in fun. Way to chime in with no real intelligent input. There is no hate talk other than some immaturity by one paintball gun wielding maniac. I don't see the need for moderation. Not that I subscribe either, but if you are all "about" the forum shouldn't you support it monetarily?

[bayhead]

Brandon - case in point - I'm not going to be drawn in to this discussion - I still believe it needs to end - let's end it and move on.

[FishFarm]

No one has threatened anyone and you voluntarily entered the conversation.

I will add that if someone had shot at me with a paintball gun there would be a good chance they would end up in my chum line.

[crabtracker]

anytime someone starts making any kind of sense and someone who does not even have a "dog in the fight" starts crying for the moderator,stop trying to read something into the post that's not there!:nono:

[V.B. wells & irrigation]

:death:Damm if I'd whip out a paintball gun out on the water!

[Burchbeer]

Me neither when I have a 12 gauge flare gun to use.
:rolleyes:

[Dwayne E]

2 times in 3 years???? That ain't bad if you think about it. So out of the approx. 630 days of possible crabbing in the past three years you only "heard" of this 2 times. I actually congradulate comms everywhere for their continued patience with recreational crabbers. Thats an AWESOME record!:clap::clap::clapping2::clapping2:
Not bad if you think about it. Come on, no ones life should be threatened even once. Beside this is one just me talking about this. It is going on more without being reported. If this is excepted behavior to you then explaining this to you is no use.

[JB Crabs]

Nice Dave. Lets just throw some more gas in the fire.

I know you are having a little fun but I don't think these guys see it that way. I can only hope I don't run into them on the South River;-)

[crabby and son]

Nice Dave. Lets just throw some more gas in the fire.

I know you are having a little fun but I don't think these guys see it that way. I can only hope I don't run into them on the South River;-)

Hey John, ME TOO! I doubt that incident really happened any way. Crabs are good but not THAT good........not worth yelling over much less fighting over. If you want to fight that bad.......join the service...................Gary

[JB Crabs]

I know what you are saying Gary. Crap, I forgot, I don't crab on the South River. I don't know what I was thinking

[jasaltinmyvn]

I'd have to agree there are some bad apples up Tred Avon but there are a$$holes a plenty on the western shore too. I've lived here all my life and crabbed in just about every corner of this area. Over all you can't lump together waterman as a low life. I grew up in a family that worked hard and you guessed it, worked on the water! I don't work on the water anymore but I am not that far removed from it. I'm not going to stand by while you bunch of waterman bashers put down people you know nothing about!

[Dwayne E]

It seems no one got the jist of the thread.The DNR officer( or DNR as a whole) dropped the ball on this one. A mans property was destroyed with witnesses and nothing was done. It was not to bash watermen in general( but to show attitude of some in the area). But there was at least 4 wrong on that day.

[crabtracker]

It seems no one got the jist of the thread.The DNR officer( or DNR as a whole) dropped the ball on this one. A mans property was destroyed with witnesses and nothing was done. It was not to bash watermen in general( but to show attitude of some in the area). But there was at least 4 wrong on that day.

i am with you ,but DNR did not "drop the ball" they just ignored it,he should have been jailed.and all his little friends who came to help him against the big bad rec that was on his property.

[BowMovements]

It seems no one got the jist of the thread.The DNR officer( or DNR as a whole) dropped the ball on this one. A mans property was destroyed with witnesses and nothing was done. It was not to bash watermen in general( but to show attitude of some in the area). But there was at least 4 wrong on that day.


It's always nice to blame DNR. But lets face it. When a crime is commited an officer has to be present to witness it, or evidence has to present itself for an arrest or any action to take place. Otherwise it's hearsay no matter how many people say they witnessed it. That is Law, like it or not. It's not DNR's fault, they can't be everywhere, "THANK GOD". LOL.

[Rod Bender II]

It seems no one got the jist of the thread.The DNR officer( or DNR as a whole) dropped the ball on this one. A mans property was destroyed with witnesses and nothing was done. It was not to bash watermen in general( but to show attitude of some in the area). But there was at least 4 wrong on that day.

After reading this thread I have to agree with you. Sometimes I like to wonder about the DNR, sounds like the DNR officers didn't really want to mess with this situation, one officer probably looked over to the other and whispered "we don't have time for this bulls***". Which happens more so then you think, UNLESS they can write you some big fat tickets so the State can get some money out of it (then they have no problem breaking out the pen and pad). When there is money involved it is a whole different story, then they have no problem writing ticket after ticket.

But on the other hand as far as the crabbing situation @ Tred Avon I am kind of on both sides really. I can see why the comm guys got pissed but yea it sounded like they took it a lil far. The surrounding and threatening definitely tightened up the recreational guys rear end lol but they really weren't going to ram their boats into his, i don't think anyone out here would intentionally damage their boat for that, no matter how many times they say they will!

[lance644]

It's the same crap that happens on the Tred year after year this time in the season. Too many crabbers balled up in one area until the crabs get spread out during the summer. Going on later this year cause it's cool and wet.
Can't say that shooting people with a paint ball gun would help a situation, 3 ounce sinkers on a 7' rod would be more my style.
Lance

[Brianczaw]

It's always nice to blame DNR. But lets face it. When a crime is commited an officer has to be present to witness it, or evidence has to present itself for an arrest or any action to take place. Otherwise it's hearsay no matter how many people say they witnessed it. That is Law, like it or not. It's not DNR's fault, they can't be everywhere, "THANK GOD". LOL.



"Citizens arrest! Citizens arrest! Citizens arrest!" Said Barney. :clap::clap:

[BowMovements]

"Citizens arrest! Citizens arrest! Citizens arrest!" Said Barney. :clap::clap:


LMAO:hysterical: