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JPW001
08-21-2009, 11:38 AM
If you read the comments right from the linked article, people are siding with the captain on this?

My friends and I went to IRI area and went out on 3 different party boats over 3 days. Two of the three, condoned keeping of undersized fish; the last was actually filleting undersized flounders on the stern cutting tables to use as strip baits.

The only boat that didn't keep non regulation sized fish was Morningstar out of Ocean City, ironically, this is the one where all 3 of us limited out on summer flounder and my buddy won the big fish pool.

I am debating with my buddies whether or not to call operation game theft; one person says that it is a very gray area and most party boats do it in order to be competitive and thicken the margins. Although it is against the regulations, he likens it to speeding on a freeway.

help!

thanks.




Party boat crew accused of illegal fluke fishing
Officials: Crew used small fish as bait
By Kevin Penton • KEYPORT BUREAU • August 20, 2009

Party boat crew accused of illegal fluke fishing | APP.com | Asbury Park Press (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090820/NEWS/908200380&s=d&page=2#pluckcomments)


BELMAR — State wildlife officers working undercover as anglers have accused the captain and first mate of a party boat of illegally killing undersized fluke to use as bait to boost the chances of their customers catching bigger fluke.



Five customers on the boat, identified as the Big Mohawk, were issued summonses for what the officers said were fishing violations, according to a statement by the state Division of Fish and Wildlife.

The captain and owner of the boat, Christopher W. Hueth, 48, of Spring Lake; first mate James R. Dugan Jr., 50, of Belmar and another crewman, Michael A. Worrall, 32, of Hamilton face thousands of dollars in penalties if convicted of summonses issued for a variety of violations witnessed by undercover officers, the release said.

The division said that during a deep-sea excursion Saturday, the officers saw other fishermen keep undersized fluke — also known as summer flounder — and throw the short fish onto the fillet table, where the crew chopped them up for bait.

"The fish were then filleted while crewmen repeatedly bragged that the Big Mohawk caught more fluke than other party vessels because it used summer flounder as bait," the release said.

Officers counted at least 25 undersized fluke on the boat that were filleted for use as bait, the release said.

It said that in New Jersey, recreational fluke must be a minimum of 18 inches long, and only six are allowed to be caught by a person each day. The rules were implemented to ensure that the summer flounder stocks are not overfished.

Hueth received summonses for discarding fluke parts before docking and for filleting fish under the minimum size limit, state officials said. If convicted, his special permit that allows party vessels to fillet fish at sea may be suspended for up to for 60 days, the release said.

Dugan was cited for discarding fluke parts and filleting undersized fish, state officials said.

Worrall was cited for selling seven fluke to two patrons, the release said. It said that under state law, fluke can only be sold to an authorized dealer.

Each violation carries a fine of up to $3,000.

Hueth referred questions to his lawyer, Raymond Bogan, who could not be reached for comment.

The five people who were fishing on the boat and the summonses issued to them are:

Jung K. Cha, 56, of Wayne, possessing three undersized fluke.

Jong N. Kim, 56, of Palisades Park, Joseph V. Mercurio, 54, of Newton and Stephen J. Thomas, 56, of Hillside, taking five fluke in excess of the daily limit.

Scott S. Rever, 40, of Basking Ridge, taking one fluke over the daily limit.

The anglers face a $30 fine for each fluke they took illegally.

The conservation officers went undercover after receiving tips about the use of undersized flounder aboard the Big Mohawk, state officials said.

crabby and son
08-21-2009, 04:29 PM
If it is under the legal limit it doesn't mean it can be used for bait. I'm sure it happens frequently since there is no evidence that comes to shore but this time was different:eek: Bend over and take it like a man. Ya got caught. The prisons are full of criminals who said, "Ill never get caught":D:clap::clap:..............Gary

JPW001
08-21-2009, 07:57 PM
Oh! This wasn't me at all.. and my friends and I all threw undersized fish overboard. I just think that this is more widespread and commonplace then what I witnessed. Hats off to ethical captains like Morningstar.

rocksteady
08-22-2009, 07:21 AM
There are 4 party boats that fish from OC . The Angler , Judith M , Ocean Princess and Morning Star . You will never and I mean never , see any of those boats engage in this type of nonsense ! All 4 captains are ethical , responsible men who instruct their mates to keep a watchful eye on anglers to make sure no undersized fish or illegal bag limits are kept . Up north in Jersey and New York , this type of thing goes on all the time .

BUDC
08-22-2009, 10:26 AM
If it is under the legal limit it doesn't mean it can be used for bait. I'm sure it happens frequently since there is no evidence that comes to shore but this time was different:eek: Bend over and take it like a man. Ya got caught. The prisons are full of criminals who said, "Ill never get caught":D:clap::clap:..............Gary

Crabby,
Just for information, in Virginia we are told that we can be cited for undersize fish when we have no carcus to prove different. Maybe its good to have a legal carcus to carry along on every trip.:yes:
budc

rocksteady
08-22-2009, 12:49 PM
Crabby,
Just for information, in Virginia we are told that we can be cited for undersize fish when we have no carcus to prove different. Maybe its good to have a legal carcus to carry along on every trip.:yes:
budc
It's the same in Jersey . They have to save the racks .

Boatdog
08-22-2009, 06:54 PM
I've fished on the Morningstar with Monty Hawkins. He is a very ethical and knowledgeable Captain. He is very much into reef rebuilding and conservation. He has always put us on decent fish.

Joe

hippie
08-30-2009, 07:04 AM
Does anyone know of an email # that a person can send tips to the DNR? Thanx, Bob

BUDC
09-01-2009, 08:08 AM
VMRC.gov
That's where I got them!!!:rolleyes:
:chugbeer:
budc

dwkoller
09-01-2009, 12:30 PM
This thread got me thinking. I had been on several charters from Knapp Narrows where the charters did not keep undersized fish, but would exceed the creel limit. And I'm not talking about 1 or 2 fish over the limit, but up to 2 times the limit for the boat.

Sometime the charters are walk-on where you don't know the other anglers -- other times it can be friends or guests. There are 6 anglers, a mate and captain on the charter. The vessel is allowed to possess 16 stripers. In Maryland, on a charter -- who is ultimately responsible for making sure regulations are followed; -- is it the captain, the mate or the anglers -- or all on board? If DNR was to board the vessel and find 30+ fish instead of the allowed 16 -- who is liable? It was my understanding, the captain incurred all violation/fines. Can anglers on a charter be held accountable for not adhering to the regs?

It is also common practice after an individual anger catches two stripers to continue fishing until the boat limit is reached -- would this angler be in violation of the regs if he boated another striper?

If you are on a walk on-charter with people you do not know and the maximum limit is reached, do you practice c/r?

Unfortunately, too many people see this the same as speeding. I just spent a lot of money to be on the charter, for the gas driving down and back, a hotel room...I need more than two fish to make it worth my while. In discussions with family and friends about this topic and it can get the testosterone going -- it can get ugly really fast. When out on my boat -- this is not an issue. But when chartering with people you don't know, it can be awkward.

My approach for charters is going to be that I will fish until the boat limit is reached and then catch and release. If the other people on the charter continue to put fish in the box -- that's their problem.

One suggestion offered was to carry colored wire ties and run a specific color tie thru the hook gap to identify your fish. Once you've boated your two, continue to catch and boat the fish until the vessel's limit is reached -- but do not tag the fish. Once the vessel's limit is reached just c&r.

How do other's handle this???