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capt.george
12-13-2005, 04:16 AM
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Cityscape: More studies of bay's woes are just pork
By ERIC SMITH, Staff Writer
People who are concerned with cleaning up the bay have suspected for years that the Chesapeake Bay Program is just a big, sloppy boondoggle. Now those suspicions have been confirmed.
A recent report by the Government Accountability Office concludes that the program, which supposedly coordinates federal and state cleanup efforts, needs at least as much fixing as the bay itself.
According to the auditors, its goals are confused, its methods are questionable and its monitoring is erratic. Way too much money is being spent on doing way too little for the bay.
The GAO auditors are right, of course, but unfortunately for all the wrong reasons.
They blame the program for "downplaying" the deteriorated condition of the bay, for example, but in fact it often does just the opposite.
Hardly a month goes by without a mournful pronouncement by some branch of the program that the bay is sick, dying fast or already dead. Aquatic grasses are disappearing, shellfish are being poisoned, acid rain is falling and tons of toxic crud are polluting our waterways. The news is never good.
In a massive irony that only bureaucrats could concoct, the same GAO auditors who found so much fault in the Chesapeake Bay Program are also recommending in their report that more money needs to be thrown at it.
Yes, the investigators who suddenly discovered that $5.6 billion has been largely frittered away over the last decade now have the nerve to suggest that many additional billions of dollars must be frittered away to make things better.
The ironies don't stop there. GAO auditors criticize the program for not developing a "clear, realistic plan" to meet its bay restoration goals.
This sounds a lot like an endorsement of more plans and studies, and more plans and studies are exactly what the Bay program doesn't need. Much of the money piddled away in the last ten years went to reams of redundant analyses of why the bay was in trouble, what could be done about it and who should organize it.
At this point every person with a pulse knows pretty much where bay pollution comes from and how it can be reduced. No one needs to read (or pay for) yet another academic treatise on the finer points of particulates or pollution management minutia.
It's a good sign that federal auditors have finally gotten around to exposing the Bay Program for what it is - a pork program for environmental burteaucrats. It's not such a good sign that the auditors seem to favor filling up the pork barrel again.
------SAD, Isin't the word for this type of wasted time & money---Many are driven by these reports to put forth thier efforts to improve matters based on what they hear & read --I, for one try to keep up with the daily GLOOM & DOOM images that fill the papers & airwaves---Hopefully, SOME good will come of these programs, in the near future & the proper Leadership will prevail in getting the job done.
----It is aparent , that funds are not lacking, But getting what you paid for is!!---OH WELL------
[shy][shy][shy]
Bob H.
12-13-2005, 04:46 AM
How shocking, a government program that doesn't work!
Phil K
12-13-2005, 05:23 AM
Capt. George,
I don't think I'm surprised here. Until the masses demand accountability, more money will be "frittered" away.
Water quality improved dramatically during the drought years. Why? No run-off. Salinity was up, and reports of Drum in the Patpasco were everywhere. Trout in abundance too. If we could just get that one piece of the puzzle fixed, we'd be setting ourselves up for resource survival and abundance.
I thought there was a recent report or book published by a Naval Academy prof that was critical of the Ches. Bay Foundation and their lack of success. 80K+ members, and I wonder if my dues aren't better spent elsewhere.
Tom Hughes
12-13-2005, 07:05 AM
Capt.George,
Thanks for posting this article.
GAO auditors who found so much fault in the Chesapeake Bay Program are also recommending in their report that more money needs to be thrown at it.A typical political move, throwing more money at problems…BAD IDEA. That’s a complete waste. The laws, to protect our Bay and its tributaries, such as the Clean Water Act, has been ignored and not enforced against big business. Other environmental laws passed to protect our water and land have also been ignored.
No Additional Moneys Needed To Act NOW
We need to enforcing the existing laws and punishing the companies and individuals now polluting OUR Bay. Not by putting them in jail, but by fining them. This will supply plenty of funds to pay for the more law enforcement so badly needed, and this will help clean up the Bay. Very little of the tax payers money will be needed.
It amazes me that our high positioned government officials, attend meeting after meeting with the problems clearly in front of them, can’t keep it simple and act on the problem swiftly.
I guess it must be too much book educated with very little common since??
scotty80
12-13-2005, 08:24 PM
Capt G,
What is the source of the opinion you quoted ? The author takes a cheap shot at the problems and doesn't mention any positives. He also offers no realistic recommendations to rectify the issue. I'm certainly interested in a quick fix, got one ?
It took 100+ years to degrade the Bay to it's point today. We ain't gonna fix it in 25. If it were not for groups like CBF, do you think the Bay would be in a better or worse state ???
Capt. Mike Anderson
12-14-2005, 05:50 AM
scotty80 originally wrote:
Capt G,
What is the source of the opinion you quoted ? The author takes a cheap shot at the problems and doesn't mention any positives. He also offers no realistic recommendations to rectify the issue. I'm certainly interested in a quick fix, got one ?
It took 100+ years to degrade the Bay to it's point today. We ain't gonna fix it in 25. If it were not for groups like CBF, do you think the Bay would be in a better or worse state ???
Is the author taking cheap shots at the problems or have the GAO auditors concluded what the author is repeating.
Here is another article.
http://www.bayjournal.com/article.cfm?article=2679
And here is a link to the report. As you will see it's not an opinion by a reporter.
http://www.chesapeakebay.net/newsgao111505.htm
capt.george
12-14-2005, 06:30 PM
[q]Direct & Indirect Spending on the Bay’s Restoration
The General Accountability Office report contained the most complete analysis to date of how much money has been spent to restore the Bay.
It estimated that ---$3.7 billion--- in direct funding was provided to restore the Bay from 1995 through 2004. An additional ---$1.9 billion -----in indirect funding was also provided for activities that affect the restoration effort.
The direct funding came from 11 key federal agencies, the states of Maryland, Pennsylvania and Virginia, and the District of Columbia. The states typically provide 75 percent of the direct funding.
Also, funding has grown over the years, from----- $148.6 million-- in total direct funding in 1995 to ----$486.6 million----2004. Funding peaked in 2002 at -----$558.2 million.----
The indirect funding was split more or less equally between federal and state governments. It includes programs that help the Bay cleanup, but would provide funding regardless of the Chesapeake Bay commitments.
These include many farm programs that pay farmers to implement practices that reduce runoff. Most of Pennsylvania’s funding was indirect because, although many programs supported Bay goals, they were not the programs’ primary purpose.
Indirect funding has also increased over the years, from ----$131.6 million ----in 1995 to -----$343.2 million in 2004
-------Scotty, In the many years I've worked the waters of the Chesapeake, I've seen no drastic changes ---Except for horrible devestation Agnus presented to us in 72----I felt good when the ajoining states Banned phosphates in detergents, Felt good when Big ships stopped flushing thier bilges, & throwing garbage & trash overboard ---Felt good when Boats Large & small started using Plastic bags to collect trash & dumped it ashore---Felt good when sanatation devices became law--Felt good when boaters stopped draining thier oil in bilges, mixing with soap & pumping it overboard---Felt good when I helped re seed grass beds----
---All of a Sudden, the States & Federal government, discovered the Chesapeake, Funds became a good P R tool---Some for you & Some for you & yeh, why not?, some for me---So pray tell, Where did 5.6 BILLION DOLLARS go or do to better the Bay----Come on , Someone TELL me where it went--It sure didn't do much according to all the GLOOM & DOOM I read about every day---
----Scotty, you ask about CBF, I'ts difficult for me to comment, I was a funding supporter, untill they got into testifing on fishery issues that pertained to size limits & seasons--I felt that was a relm best handled by Fishery managers---
----Its a deep & serious problem & the subject alone speaks for itself ---Surely GAO A very lienient auditor, wouldn't be so critical if it wasen't so-----
-----The only funds I heard of being used WISLEY was the Million or so spent on the Asian Oyster expermential reef, that the Cow Nose Rays ate up in a 2 day feeding spree , at least they tried ----OH WELL--
[shy]
J.P. Williams
12-14-2005, 08:29 PM
Capt. George and Other Anglers--
Here's where that $5.6 billion went--to stabilize the patient. Remember that over the past 25 years, the population of the Chesapeake watershed has grown by about 18%, from 13.5 million of us to 16 million, and it's increasing at about 100,000 people per year, mostly from people moving in.
George, you know how much Anne Arundel County has grown over that period. Now even your native Massaponax is growing. Stafford and Spotsylvania are two of the twenty fastest growing counties in the U.S. (BTW, Loudoun is first.) That $5.6 billion is what it has taken just to stay even (and actually improve just a little, according to CBF's State of the Bay Report, though we're still scoring it at only 27, which is a failing grade in any school).
Eric Smith loves to pontificate about wasted $ in The Capital, but he never mentions that all Bay restoration programs swim against a heavy current. Remember that old quote from Pogo, the comic strip possum--"We have met the enemy, and he is us."
We--all of us--leave a HEAVY footprint on the Bay ecosystem, from nitrogen and phosphorus every time we flush and sediment that comes from from construction projects to ag runoff from farms that aren't making money because we insist on cheap food and from exhaust emissions from our tailpipes. Got any idea how much nitrogen will wash off I-66 in Northern VA with tomorrow's slush and rain?
Yes, the GAO Report shows that the EPA Chesapeake Bay Program should be more focused on coordinated implementation of those restoration programs (CBF, by the way, was one of the organizations that pushed for the study). Though we still have much to learn about the Bay (yes, it's that complex), the science the Bay Program has sponsored over the past twenty years has given us a world-class blueprint to make real change.
Now they need to help put that science to work, to join us (CBF) and fishermen's organizations like MSSA, CCA, the Charterboat Associations, and the Ches. Guides Association in pushing the cleanup forward (which the Bay Program has been reticent to do lately). We know how to treat sewage well (there are already a few star-quality plants, like Piscataway on the Potomac), and we're learning a lot about cost-effective ways to deal with farm runoff.
Maryland's flush fee and the dedicated funds VA Gov. Warner has just put into his budget for sewage treatment upgrades are large enough to start making a difference over the next five years. (We'll be watching closely to make sure that $ gets spent well.)
Next the big challenge will be agriculture, which will require not just enforcement (sorry, Tom) but assistance with conservation programs, especially on family farms. Watch for a lot of action in both the VA & MD General Assembly sessions in '06. In fact, don't just watch--get involved, and informed. Visit www.getdedicated.org to learn how. It's free.
Legislators really listen to fishermen, as we have found out over the past two years. By the way, there's a lot going on in Pennsylvania too, though that's an even tougher fight. But the Susquehanna had a big smallmouth kill this summer, so folks like Bob Clouser are hopping mad and searching (with our Harrisburg Office) for solutions. I'm spending a lot of my time up there, helping.
Sorry to get onto a soap box, but Eric Smith's column really set me off. He's not in the trenches of this fight, and he doesn't know the whole story--by a long shot.
We don't have to live with dead zones. We CAN save this Bay. The tide is starting to change. Now's the time to push harder than ever.
Best regards to you all for caring enough to post,
Capt. John Page Williams
CBF Senior Naturalist &
Chesapeake Bay Magazine Fishing Columnist
capt.george
12-15-2005, 04:13 AM
Eric Smith loves to pontificate about wasted $ in The Capital, but he never mentions that all Bay restoration programs swim against a heavy current. Remember that old quote from Pogo, the comic strip possum--"We have met the enemy, and he is us."
------John Page, Thanks for jumping in, You & others must know how I feel about the sad state of the Chesapeake---On one hand I hope that all the funds that have been thown it's way IS DOING SOME GOOD---Then again we must relize that Eric's column is not based on HIS findings, but based on a Government report----& as I said , GAO is at the most a Wrist Slap, a Tiger w/o teeth---There are no penalties, assocaited with thier reports ----Where else could 5.6 BILLION dollars be spent W/O some visiable gain----I have to salute you & others like you for your never ending Crusade for a better bay, but as an outsider of the system ,I would think your frustrations must be monsterous-----
----Flush tax, hopefully will used with speed, with results
----Farmer substudies, for planting cover crops---probably will have few takers---
----What the bay needs right now is ACTION,some leadership from men with a Devil may Care additude---Doers, not talkers,--Like the builders of houses on islands, & expanders of marnia's
who Do it , at least it gets done----
----Scotty, says it took 100 years for this to evlove, & we can't fix it in 25----I dissagree, we need a 9-11 mentality---
---Then again the Chesapeake is only a drop in the bucket in domestic & world affairs----OH WELL----[sad]
capt.george
12-15-2005, 04:51 AM
---Richmond, Va.---
---Gov. Warner proposed yesterday to spend 200 MILLION to cut pollution & improve the bay's watershead----The one time funds are part of a 242.5 MILLION water Quality package that Gov. Warner plans to interdouce before he leaves office in mid January
------Here's more, if it passes---[wink]
scotty80
12-15-2005, 07:22 PM
Great post by JP. One thing I would like to add is that A significant amount of money is also spent on educating youth and the public. I have to agree that it is a very complex issue with no easy answers. Maybe my location at the head of the Bay gives me some incite others don't see. The amount of silt and debry that comes down the Susky and Elk is mind boggling. But this summer we could see the bottom in 6+ feet of water due to the drought. I can only imagine how much better it was 100 years ago.
Thanks for the links Capt Mike. My problem with the report is that it is virtually impossible to go up river into PA and just correct the problem. How do you do this ? Go to every farm in PA & NY and say , ' ah farmer Joe you need to stop your runoff tomorrow, OK ? ' And go to Towns starting with Elkton and say your sewer treatment plant is out of code and needs updating to the tune of x million. It is very easy for a bunch of people sitting behind desks, in hind site, to criticize.
I'm sure you all have seen in your local papers the revolt against the flush tax. This is a prime example of the obstacles that are faced. Residents of MD 'say' they want a cleaner bay but when they have to buck up $2.50 per month they scream bloody murder !
Scotty, says it took 100 years for this to evlove, & we can't fix it in 25----I dissagree, we need a 9-11 mentality---
Capt George, I hope you prove me wrong !!!
Capt Frank
12-15-2005, 10:40 PM
Scotty
Ive actually been at it for 25 years and there are sadly more years to go till we just arest the problem, how many, certainly no one knows.
JP, I said essentially the same thing in another post on the Ches Board. Capt George and other users of the resource know how bad the pollution problem is, Sadly, non users really dont, many dont care. Therein lies some of the dilemma for costs and payees of clean-up.
Put another way 100s of billions of dollars have been spent in one way or another to support pollution of the Bay's watershed over the past 100 years. How much will take to fix it, now that is the 100 billion dollar question. As I said previously, Capt George, J P , Mike, Scotty, and myself are willing to shell out extra for the clean-up. Convincing everyone else is where people like JP and Capt George come in, because in the end it is about education.
Capt George, in my most humble opinion, the way to get a quicker clean-up is thru the use filter feeders. To stop runoff pollution, air pollution dead in it's tracks is a pipe dream, and as JP said, population explosions in the watershed make the task that much more difficult. But as I said in the other thread, DONT stop complaining. Keep up the threads, ask the questions, and demand more, because in the end, the Bay constantly reminds us of it's problems, and demands our attention.
if the bay programs weren't married to exploitation our problems wouldn't seem so bad.
Oysters first.
Megabyte
12-22-2005, 07:59 PM
J.P. Williams originally wrote:
Maryland's flush fee and the dedicated funds VA Gov. Warner has just put into his budget for sewage treatment upgrades are large enough to start making a difference over the next five years. (We'll be watching closely to make sure that $ gets spent well.)
Capt John,
I am one who is very interested in seeing if the flush tax (Sorry Capt, it's NOT a fee. It is a tax.) is actually used to correct and upgrade sewer systems. Will the money collected go toward fixing the pipe break and spill in Mill Creek on the Magothy? Will it actually go towards other sewer upgrades as promised? I have my doubts...
Is there accountability anywhere to let us know what the tax collected, under the guise of the "flush fee", will be used for?
I, for one... want to know.
Capt Frank
12-22-2005, 08:27 PM
Kevin
I know for certain that it(flush tax) is going to upgrade WWTPs to ENR or Enhanced Nutrient Removal. The Facility's are prioritorized based on need.
As far as collection systems issues, the State, EPA, and Justice Dept have negotiated consent orders to upgrade (in some cases) 100 year old collection systems, in Baltimore City, Baltimore County, and WSSC(Collection services in PG/Montgomery Co). AA Co's collection system is much newer. Broken force mains are not easy to predict until, unfortunately the break occurs. The main issue is to have contingency plans in place to hurry a pump around to minimize raw sewage impact to receiving waters. Some were really bad in the past like Cattail Creek's force main break a number of years ago. Because AA Co has a flat topography, much of the collection consists of pump stations, unlike surrounding hillier jurisdictions, that use gravity and large interceptors.
The EPA oversees Md's delegation of the Clean Water Act, however, there are other forms of oversight like 3rd party Enviro groups, thru FOIA. As always the public is the ultimate oversighter, and should demand accountability of it's enviro regulators. Hope that helps.
scotty80
12-22-2005, 08:28 PM
http://www.mde.state.md.us/Water/CBWRF/index.asp
We all need to demand accountability. I'll be watching and asking...
Megabyte
12-22-2005, 08:51 PM
Capt Frank originally wrote:
... As always the public is the ultimate oversighter, and should demand accountability of it's enviro regulators. Hope that helps.
It does. Thanks for taking the time to explain. [wink]
J.P. Williams
12-23-2005, 07:27 AM
Gentlemen--
As usual, Capt. Frank and Scotty are right on the button. The flush whatever-it-is has built-in accountability. We should still watch to make sure it works, and we should cheer when it does. The best of the wastewater folks should be heroes to us TF'ers.
As to non-anglers, Frank's right again. They need to understand ALL of the benefits of clean water. Our public opinion research shows that most voters do. The catch is to use that information well. It worked for CBF in VA last year and will again in '06. We're putting it to work in PA too, even as we build a stronger network of concerned anglers up there.
Meanwhile, the next big issue will be agriculture. Watch for a package of legislation for Maryland in January (both assistance to farmers and accountability).
Merry Christmas to you all. Thanks for caring about this stuff. Three cheers for Capt. Frank for all the effort he has invested in it over the past thirty-some years. Here's to a healthier Bay in '06 and beyond.
Best regards, JPW
Nobody wanted to talk about exploitation...?
We can take a hundred different angles on this issue and all be correct to some extent, but the GAO is still making a very lucid point about goals. We can keep studying the bay ad infinitum and we sure can find ways to spend money, but without clearly defined goals, specific delineation of duties and responsibilities, and meaningful accountibility of progress toward goals, "saving the bay" will remain more about making political hay than about saving the bay. Currently we are not saving the bay. Currently we are exploiting the bay. We are unsustainably harvesting maximum amount of protein from the bay, and replacing it with sewage, nutrient laden runoff and way too many unburned hydrocarbons. As long as that's the paradigm, further studies are not really needed. Frankly, as a society we have been wasting bigtime tax revenue on studies upon studies that haven't solved any problems. The only thing we can say for sure is that as long as we do what we did, we're gonna get what we got. What we need to do now is apply maximum revenue toward maintenance and upgrade of WWTPs, and other innovative ways to deal with storm and waste water remediation. Unfortunately, nothing is simple. A seemingly good idea like the "flush tax" is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Developers and their elected officials (who cherish economic growth) want people who already pay to flush to pay more per flush so developers can hook up for less. No thanks. We need to face the reality that more development will not save the bay, and in that light its time to curtail development with steeper impact fees for all development, similar to waterfront. This kind of strategy is radical and guarantees political opposition, but necessary if we're really serious about saving the bay. On that note, I have to say, I don't think we're serious about saving the bay. We've been saving the bay my whole life, and the bay is worse not better.
Capt Frank
12-27-2005, 11:26 AM
Hey matt
I was with ya until you went for the flush tax. It only goes for ENR, not facility expansion, or additional connections by developers. Now if you want to say that developers have not paid substantially over the years into the pie to upgrade WWTPs, or for sewer system upgrades, thus possibly leading to the flush tax, Im with ya.
Capt Frank
12-27-2005, 01:46 PM
Reds that may be the case now however, in the past, I know for a fact that in some jurisdictions of high growth, impact fees were not paid, maybe some jurisdictions didnt require them. Essentially, schools became overcrowded, roads were forgotten, and water and WWTPs were stressed. In some cases, sewage literally spilled all over the headworks, after a substantial rain, due to increased flows from new subdivisions, or old tie ins from say leaky septic tanks. That practice has ceased. Events like Centerville remind us of the past. However, we are in a state of catch-up, and the Bay will begin to see less nutrients from WWTPs, there remains much to do as you suggested.
Raising impact fees may not slow growth, but we create a war chest to deal with the impact, and thats the point. But you're right Reds, everybody is part of the problem, everybody owns the problem. I'm not disputing that. I just want to know when saving the bay stops being a slogan and starts to be a reality.
Frank, are you saying Maryland's flush tax isn't going to open the door to new development? I believe there was justified criticism of the "bay restoration fund" as it was signed into law that left too much interpretation about "eligible costs" to the Department. Skeptics feared the Maryland would exploit that loophole to pacify developers. Anyway, I believe the door to developers is too wide open now, and the flush tax opens that door even wider. Time will tell.
Capt Frank
12-27-2005, 03:49 PM
Matt
Major treatment plants are placed on a priority list based on need to enhance their nutrient removal. There are a number of factors which are used to decide how the money is metered out. This is about treatment, not expansion. Ive asked questions of the project mgrs and they seemed adament about using the money only to enhance treatment. Now, can it enhance expansion? Possibly, by reducing the amount of money needed for treatment, because of restrictive permits, allowing for more money to expand, that would have been earmarked for treatment, thats probably one worry.
Pollution in the Bay as eloquently stated by John Page is about the population explosion in the Watershed, and unless something curtails that explosion will bring pollution as it's trailer. Certainly one of the ways to deal with it is curtailing expansion of the WWTPs and Water treatment Facilities. Heck in Fl. right now in the Tampa area, a good friend just told me they are building desalinization facilities, but needed influent filters due to an algae issue they hadnt planned on. In other words, theyve used up the water supply, so rather then curtailing population, they are using innovative and alternative strategies, to increase flow. Pretty sad if you look at a worse case scenario. My opinion, solely mine, is that the Bay has reached a saturation point of people, and cant take anymore without some serious treatment regimines far above of what we currently have. Questions are good, keep them coming.[smile]
Controlling growth is a goal. How do you do it? How much is too much? When does it stop? Who stops it? At what point does govt take away the rights of landholders in the name of "saving the bay." There's a few questions. If we don't deal with those issues, we're gonna keep doing what we did, and getting what we got.
The answer is to disallow growth in areas with inadequate wastewater treatment infrastructure. Unfortunately while were were pasting "save the bay" bumper stickers to the backs of our SUVs, development outpaced the infrastructure. In fact, the infrastructure was never there. Now backwater all around the bay is full of fecal coliform and pathogens leaking from failing septic systems. This one is a matter of public record (see MDE's 303d list).
We must expand municiple waste water treatment or we aren't fixing anything. In this light, it is my opinion the flush tax isn't the answer. Its a small part of an answer, maybe, but in another ten years we still won't be close to where we need to be. In my view, this tax is a feelgood nonsolution to a problem that has already enveloped virtually every inhabited creek on this estuary. Taking money from septic users for any other purpose than to hook up failing septic systems is wrong. We need to identify failing systems and hook'em up, as a priority. But we can't hook them up until we expand, and that's gonna take way more than $60M a year.
The only way is to fix today's sewage problem is to spend much more money, and clearly the political will is not there.
Capt Frank
12-28-2005, 07:37 AM
Matt originally wrote:
Controlling growth is a goal. How do you do it? How much is too much? When does it stop? Who stops it? At what point does govt take away the rights of landholders in the name of "saving the bay." There's a few questions. If we don't deal with those issues, we're gonna keep doing what we did, and getting what we got.
The answer is to disallow growth in areas with inadequate wastewater treatment infrastructure. Unfortunately while were were pasting "save the bay" bumper stickers to the backs of our SUVs, development outpaced the infrastructure. In fact, the infrastructure was never there. Now backwater all around the bay is full of fecal coliform and pathogens leaking from failing septic systems. This one is a matter of public record (see MDE's 303d list).
We must expand municiple waste water treatment or we aren't fixing anything. In this light, it is my opinion the flush tax isn't the answer. Its a small part of an answer, maybe, but in another ten years we still won't be close to where we need to be. In my view, this tax is a feelgood nonsolution to a problem that has already enveloped virtually every inhabited creek on this estuary. Taking money from septic users for any other purpose than to hook up failing septic systems is wrong. We need to identify failing systems and hook'em up, as a priority. But we can't hook them up until we expand, and that's gonna take way more than $60M a year.
The only way is to fix today's sewage problem is to spend much more money, and clearly the political will is not there.
The other issue is stuff wears out. Most plants are upgraded in 20 year increments. Co. Comprehensive Water & Sewer Plans are examined in 20 year increments. It is here that much can be done to control growth, examine problems and fix them. Although infrastructure lasts longer then 20 years, (Baltimore is among the oldest in the nation at over 100 years), it breaks and wears out. Jurisdictions need to concentrate on incrementally inspecting sewers and pump stations as they age, be more agressive in preventative maintenance. Lots of things affect sewers like hydrogen sulfides which are very corrosive, poor pipe materials, settling, roots, grease, etc.
Frank wrote:
The other issue is stuff wears out. Most plants are upgraded in 20 year increments. Co. Comprehensive Water & Sewer Plans are examined in 20 year increments. It is here that much can be done to control growth, examine problems and fix them. Although infrastructure lasts longer then 20 years, (Baltimore is among the oldest in the nation at over 100 years), it breaks and wears out. Jurisdictions need to concentrate on incrementally inspecting sewers and pump stations as they age, be more agressive in preventative maintenance. Lots of things affect sewers like hydrogen sulfides which are very corrosive, poor pipe materials, settling, roots, grease, etc.
People assume those issues are adequately addressed by the annual operating budgets of municipal WWTPs. Based on the number of failures over the past few years, I don't think that's the case. No operator wants to have a spill, but when plants are financially strapped with too few people to oversee too much aging equipment...$hit happens.
Its incumbent on citizens to look beyond blind optimism about restoration funds like this one when there's no frame of fiscal reference, no specific goal, no promise of fixing anything, no way to monitor the effectiveness of the program, and no history of success. $600M over 10 years is not alot of money. I think Blue Plains WWTP was advertising the 10 year cost of their denitrification process was $2B, optimistically. Thats 2 billion dollars over ten years for one plant, to remove nitrogen. In that light, what is $600M really gonna buy the State of Maryland? The CBF website has an interesting myth-fact section about the fund. Nowhere does it say $600M is a woefully inadequate to make a difference. I mean, I would expect that kind of glossy optimism from the politicians who devised this tax and spend policy, but not the CBF. No offense JPW, but thats why saving the bay is such an elusive goal. The real myth is that this program constitutes more than a drop in the bucket toward a fully funded restoration project. The fact is that its a feelgood initiative thats not gonna save the bay. Not even close.
The flush tax, as it currently stands, may actually cause us more harm than good. Collecting revenue from septic system users is a questionable part of the policy to begin with...failing to use that revenue to address failing septic systems is wrong. The state of Maryland knows there's a problem with failing septic systems on or around tidal water, and they know there's signficant costs not only to get those systems corrected but costs but to identify failing systems. Dye testing and visual inspections can locate these systems, but there's all sorts of costly wrangling to access private property that demands the time of qualified people. This all equates to big money, and now that Maryland is gouging septic users for other sewage related purposes, its gonna be that much harder to do the right thing, and to correct a known problem thats not only causing nitorgen, but a public health issue as well.