Ethics of the MD $1 Million fishing challenge

[scotty80]

Why does MDDNR spend x amount of $ on this when they don't manage the fishery for rec anglers? They want to open up rivers to nets yet spend big money on silly programs like this. They claim they are understaffed yet get out this PR, ASAP.

Build a fishery and people will come to fish. Now, where are the minutes of the SFAC & TFAC?

[capt.george]

Are you saying its Unethical to open rivers to netting OR
Unethical to have a Million Dollar Challenge?-

-Fishing for Fortune in -85--90 was a success, So far this challenge has been very quiet, as to public knowlege & intrest-

[scotty80]

I'm trying to say, you can't manage a fishery for both Comm & Rec fishing. DNR is trying to do both and it is obviously failing. Little interest in this Million $ thing. The program is aimed at Rec anglers. Comms don't need any incentive. Recs = Recreational and Comms= Commercial if that's OK on your little island[tongue]?

I feel this is yet another lame duck attempt by DNR to sell Rec licenses when they try to manage the fishery for Comms. IE; opening rivers to Comms fishing when recs can't catch dinner.

Comms taking the resources of the Bay is a big issue. Every day I watch as Elkton's new water treatment plant is being constructed. Upper Bay grasses are near historical levels. I've done more than my part by paying the flush tax while properly maintaining my private septic system.

I think the biggest issue is, if and when the Bay starts to recover, where is the allocation of it's resources going to? The people who were blamed for the degradation in the first place, or the takers of the Bay? Farmers plant and harvest. Watermen take.

[capt.george]

I'm trying to say, you can't manage a fishery for both Comm & Rec fishing. DNR is trying to do both and it is obviously failing

----The Md. DNR HAS the responsibilty, to manage both, & the SILENT leader of this department is a rec. angler.

My Dissapointment, comes mostly from the Wedge of disscontent that is being driven between the user groups of the Chesapeake based on --AW He!!, why waste my time & get upset , It's Fathers Day, The Suns comming up, The fish are biting better than in prior years, Me Worry? not for at least 5 minutes-

---The Do Gooders & Tree huggers, & the Gloom & Doom reporters, Even the G D Cartoonest that Depicted my beloved Chesapeake as a Cesspool with his drawing of the grim reeper sitting in a row boat in his hooded shroud of Death, holding a cane pole with a skeleton of a fish on the hook--will take today off--Oh Well-------



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[scotty80]

----The Md. DNR HAS the responsibility, to manage both, & the SILENT leader of this department is a rec. angler.

How do you figure the silent leader is the Recs? Opening of rivers to netting, dredging of shell for put & take oyster harvesting ( AKA; oyster replenishment program ), extension of harvest seasons for Comms, etc. The conservation minded Recs were the ones to put a stop to this. DNR top dogs are appointed by the Governor. Unfortunately it's all political BS.

[mikie]

I believe Capt. George was trying to say that the head of the DNR (Ron Franks), is a recreational angler, owns a flyfishing shop in Grasonville.
The DNR is charged with managing the resource for ALL of the user groups, not just one or the other.
As I posted on another forum - all of the gripes that the environmentalist wackos have in relation to ANYTHING can be solved by stopping the procreation of humans. If humans stop having children right now - in 100 years ALL of the problems that you profess will be solved because, after all, all of the problems are caused by people. In the ensuing 100 years we can probably use up all of the petroleum products, thus leaving the animals with even less to worry about.
Scotty, this response was aimed at you. Do you agree? Do you have children or intend to have them? If so, YOU are the problem!!

[scotty80]

mikie originally wrote:
If humans stop having children right now - in 100 years ALL of the problems that you profess will be solved because, after all, all of the problems are caused by people.

Really? Sturgeon were decimated by human overpopulation or overfishing?

My original thread was on my belief that MDNR is wasting money trying to get people to fish for fish that are not there! If I wanted to gamble I would buy a lottery ticket. Bring back the fish to a rec catchable level and people will fish. Eliminating nets would go far to achieve this goal. Just look at the annual net catch #'s and tell me I am wrong?

[scotty80]

reds originally wrote:
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What Mikie didn't tell you is Ron Franks took an oath to uphold the laws of Maryland. One of those laws are the Chesapeake Bay belongs to all the citizens of Maryland not just one user group.

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Ya got me there. If Ronald took such an oath then why only one user group for the rest of DNR's management responsibility? I think it is a great injustice that Bear, deer, birds, turtles, etc. have no comm harvest. Don't you agree? After all, the resources of MD belong to all the citizens of Maryland not just one user group.

Spin on...

[scotty80]

No you spin on. Or at least keep repeating what you heard at your fishing club meeting. It has to be a repeat job, not being familiar with the DNR enough to know a rec angler is it's director.

Not familiar enough to know that 74% of the Striped Bass are harvested by rec anglers yet your fishing club wants all the harvest.

Not familiar enough to know that your fishing club wants stone dumped into the bay, instead of fossil oyster shell, for oyster spat to attach to so it can't be harvested. Never mind that it cost 4 times as much.

Not familiar enough to know that the amount of oysters and menhaden in the bay in 1865
could not filter most of the polutants of todays population.

Reminder: Striped Bass Comment Period Closes Jun 26
NOAA Fisheries is seeking public input on alternatives that would potentially open the EEZ to fishing for striped bass. The comment period closes on June 26.
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Bahaha! Wow! Classic Reds at his best. That one is getting saved to the hard drive. Must have pushed the reds hot button to receive the personal attack?

Reds, you do not know me, know what I know, nor who I know. Yet you personally attack me with your wild unfounded accusations?

I have never attended a CCA meeting, but I like their ideas. You see, they actually back up their statements with numbers and proof. Something you continually fail to do.

What does the Director of MDNR having a fishing pole in his basement have to do with anything? More spin from you. I'll bet Larry Simns has one there too, What's your point? You know dam well it's all political.

Reds, when I or anyone from this site can actually comprehend one of your posts, they seem to have a common theme. It seems to be a repeat job on your behave of your fishing club. I here the same rhetoric from Larry & Danny. I'm sure it's just coincidental.

Your next post will continue to build your reputation on this site as will mine.

All in good discussion my Friend,

[Sea Gristle]

scotty80 originally wrote:
Why does MDDNR spend x amount of $ on this when they don't manage the fishery for rec anglers? They want to open up rivers to nets yet spend big money on silly programs like this. They claim they are understaffed yet get out this PR, ASAP.

Build a fishery and people will come to fish. Now, where are the minutes of the SFAC & TFAC?


Can I get a little background details on this? Is it a million dollar payoff to catch the biggest fish or what? I understand your frustration on the money being spent, just trying to understand what DNR percieves as the ROI. Increased license sales?