Good new proposed regulations

[bsr1]

Looks like at the next TFAC/SFAC meeting there is going to be some proposed recreational regulations looked at. One being a 90 day suspension of license for violation of crabbing times. It's about time.

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/recreational/sfac/mtgs/042610/DraftRecPenaltyRegulations.pdf

[Big Liar]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[BowMovements]

to be honest that is one of the biggest violations of recs. I'm not haten but just calling it how i see it.

[bsr1]

How does a 365 day suspension for selling recreationally caught crabs or a 90 day sususpension for 6- 10 females sound?

[Black Irish]

Sorry but I think the lack of interest in the whole topic is because rec poaching isn't as rampant as the commercial sector would like everyone to believe. Go ahead and threaten to throw the book at recs. Whoopee doo. This kind of whiplash was expected from the new commercial penalty regulations.

[BowMovements]

Sorry but I think the lack of interest in the whole topic is because rec poaching isn't as rampant as the commercial sector would like everyone to believe. Go ahead and threaten to throw the book at recs. Whoopee doo. This kind of whiplash was expected from the new commercial penalty regulations.

yea ok.

[done workin]

I'd rather see 0 tolerance for everybody for possession of females. Inlcuding the seasonal closure periods for commercials.

The size violations are one thing if a tip breaks off while in the basket, but if you can't tell the difference between male and female I don't want to go to your bars.

Possession of out of season females is inexcusable (sp?)

Chris

[BowMovements]

possesion of females outside of legal dates is unexcusable. On the other hand, overseas sales of females is all that is keeping some waterman going right now, so a full ban would damn near kill off an age old way of life. Believe me they aint gonna go easy on us if caught with illegal females. Hopefully things are improving. I say let's give it another year or two and measure the progress. Oh and concentrate on pollutions and run-off issues in the mean time.

[C-Hawk18]

Sorry but I think the lack of interest in the whole topic is because rec poaching isn't as rampant as the commercial sector would like everyone to believe. Go ahead and threaten to throw the book at recs. Whoopee doo. This kind of whiplash was expected from the new commercial penalty regulations.

I guess maybe we'll see.....and are you saying that "threatening" to increase punishment will have NO effect on Recreational behavior? Why the cry for increased "Commercial" punishment? you remember???? Gotta make fines so as to get rid of the "Cost of doing business" commercial violations......boy if that ain't the pot calling the kettle BLACK!

BTW- Still harboring those resentments against all commercials huh? (Look back and see that YOU are the one who constantly brings the "Commercial" into EVERY discussion.

[Weber]

Tougher penalties for everyone breaking the rules is a good thing, rec and com......

[kidz]

These rgulations are 10 years too late and should have applied to recs and comms. Typical government. always wait too late to do something that could have changed the crabbing a long time ago. Should also have included three strike rule. Get caught 3 times and go to jail with no licsense for any water related activities for the rest of your life.

[BowMovements]

The definition of law is; slow to evolve and often implmented after the fact. This is true for business law and criminal. I studied them both for about 2 and a half years at UB and it was very frustrating. Common sense plays no role in legislature due to assumptions and bias. Look at the recent child pornography and sex offender laws. Before, the MAX was 5 years imprisonment, now 25. It is probably the best act passed in a while, but WAY to late.

[C-Hawk18]

Tougher penalties for everyone breaking the rules is a good thing, rec and com......

Eactly


These rgulations are 10 years too late and should have applied to recs and comms.

Exactly.....but there are some on here who beg to differ......right BI?

[Black Irish]

I simply said the recs are not concerned about tougher poaching laws therefore don't expect any kind of reaction. Then the shallow end of the commercial pool jumped in a tried to make it a personal argument. I am all for tougher penalties, on both sides. Sorry if it puts those involved in illegal activities out of business. Sorry if it puts recs on shore. Abide by the law or die by the law. We will all be recs before long so go ahead and rachet up the penalties. I'm not opposed.

[bowman316]

why can't you crab after 5 PM?
or is it 8 hours after sunrise?
doesn't make much sense to me.
with all the crabbers out there, crabbing the evening would help to reduce the congeston.

[C-Hawk18]

Then the shallow end of the commercial pool jumped in a tried to make it a personal argument.

I made it PERSONAL? YOU brought the word "Commercial" into the thread, just like you do every other time. Please read what you wrote above Rich.

[BowMovements]

rob, don't induldge BI's incompetance or ignorance. let it go brotha. we'll be crabbn soon! ;-)

[marlinpenn]

Hey, wait a minute..... Commercial guys get the point system and the recs are taken off the water for one violation? I am all about the enforcement of the law, but come on now. Isn’t this a little backwards? What happened to making an honest living? For most of us, dishonesty, cheating, stealing, accounting mistakes and schemes get us a pink slip. What is the difference of the person working construction sneaking off with a couple pieces of lumber, your banker sneaking a couple dollars out of your account, your auto mechanic claiming to have fixed something that was never broken and the guy working the water stealing from all of us? I tell you what it is; all of these people when caught lose their job, are prosecuted (in some cases with significant media coverage) and public outrage. And before my next comment, let me just say I do recognize this does not apply to all commercial watermen and I truly believe there are still honest hardworking men and women who make a living working the waters of the Chesapeake and truly care about it. On the flip side, there are also a population of common thieves who rape and steal the bay for the almighty dollar and instead of being “fired” they get the a slap on the wrist because their life on the water has been made so terrible by everyone else who uses “their” bay. I am so sick and tired of hearing it. Welcome to the real world, there is a recession (or weak recovery) in this nation. Millions of people have lost their job and the people with them are doing everything they can to keep them. I am sure revoking your license and auctioning them off with proceeds going to clean up the bay or put more DNR on it, would benefit us all.

[Big Liar]

Hey, wait a minute..... Commercial guys get the point system and the recs are taken off the water for one violation? I am all about the enforcement of the law, but come on now. Isn’t this a little backwards? What happened to making an honest living? For most of us, dishonesty, cheating, stealing, accounting mistakes and schemes get us a pink slip. What is the difference of the person working construction sneaking off with a couple pieces of lumber, your banker sneaking a couple dollars out of your account, your auto mechanic claiming to have fixed something that was never broken and the guy working the water stealing from all of us? I tell you what it is; all of these people when caught lose their job, are prosecuted (in some cases with significant media coverage) and public outrage. And before my next comment, let me just say I do recognize this does not apply to all commercial watermen and I truly believe there are still honest hardworking men and women who make a living working the waters of the Chesapeake and truly care about it. On the flip side, there are also a population of common thieves who rape and steal the bay for the almighty dollar and instead of being “fired” they get the a slap on the wrist because their life on the water has been made so terrible by everyone else who uses “their” bay. I am so sick and tired of hearing it. Welcome to the real world, there is a recession (or weak recovery) in this nation. Millions of people have lost their job and the people with them are doing everything they can to keep them. I am sure revoking your license and auctioning them off with proceeds going to clean up the bay or put more DNR on it, would benefit us all.

Believe me that I not trying to jump on anything you said about the water, but as someone who works (primary job) for a large public corp. - I have to disagree with your business logic. I know plenty of people in the business world who get promoted for doing unethical things. One example is stabbing people in the back or taking credit for accomplishments of other to rise to power. Sell the company to a bigger fish and leave with millions knowing that 90% of the employees would be let go. Our new management giving themselves millions in bonuses during the same week as they are laying workers off. And that does not even come close to what was done in the banking industry. In my opinion, the nation's business executives have put us in the economic bind that we are today. I only wish that there was an enforment agency over big business that looked out for the heath of our economy similar to the way the DNR is assigned to oversee the health of wildlife.

[redbeard]

crab and rockfish violations by a comm. is now considered a tier 2 violation. someone CONVICTED of a tier 2 violation will have thier lic. sus. by dnr. i'm sure the same will aply for the recs. eventually. tier 2 means that that spieces is in trouble or need of help. i still think they need more officers to make a differance because there are so many recs. nowadays that don't follow the time laws, i see it every day.

[city crabber]

their are roughly 5,887 com crabbers and 48,500 recs you tell me who does more damage? =)

[bowman316]

you actually can crab till sunset, as long as you are not in the main bay.
5 pm if you are not in a river.

I never noticed that in APR, OCT, NOV and DEC the start time is 30 mins AFTER sunrise. is that new?

[BowMovements]

Comms to? Unless I read it wrong it's an 8 hr day begining at sunrise. Are you saying that is only for the main bay and not it's tribs and rivers? I stuck to 8 hrs last year lining on the GP. The came back out during the eve as a rec. for fun with the wife. We would catch some for us to eat and give some to the people at my Marina. And stick to our 2 bu. limit FYI

[DuckButler]

Why, like hunting and fishing, can't we all start at the same time? Just pick 1/2 hr before and be done with it!

[BILL H]

their are roughly 5,887 com crabbers and 48,500 recs you tell me who does more damage? =)
I think there is insufficient information to draw any conclusions from this set of numbers. But as a first post, it does provide a lot of insight.

[C-Hawk18]

I think there is insufficient information to draw any conclusions from this set of numbers. But as a first post, it does provide a lot of insight.

But of course if they try to have Recreational crabbers report their landings, they would get the same flack as the fisherman are giving in reference to the saltwater Registry.

[done workin]

their are roughly 5,887 com crabbers and 48,500 recs you tell me who does more damage? =)

AWWW Christ, here with go with this BS again. The exact point I made on the Winter Dredge Survey thread.

Let's see, those doing the least damage deserve the most thanks for their sacrifice and the reason for the rebounding numbers. Gee, based on this "logic", it's the recs who deserve the credit for not keeping ANY FEMALES for 2 years. Don't work that way.

The cumulative efforts of the last 2 years, have things improving. Keep it the way it is for 2 more and let's see where we are.

[Black Irish]

I made it PERSONAL? YOU brought the word "Commercial" into the thread, just like you do every other time. Please read what you wrote above Rich.

You might try looking up 'personal' in the dictionary. I never mentioned your name, yet you called me out 'personally'. When I want to direct something at you personally, you will know it.

[POLECAT]

Keep it the way it is for 2 more (years) and let's see where we are.

I agree.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

AND

It took longer than a couple years for my Pirate chest to develop into a sunken treasure.:yes:

[C-Hawk18]

I never mentioned your name, yet you called me out 'personally'. When I want to direct something at you personally, you will know it.

Let's see.....I quote you, you know I am commercial and then you post.......
Then the shallow end of the commercial pool jumped in a tried to make it a personal argument. That's not MAKING it PERSONAL????? yeah OK RICH

[SteveL]

Happy Springtime Crabbers!!

Before you know it we will be out crabbing!

This thread has been all over the map, but to the original point--I am a rec crabber and I strongly support the more hardball penalties for early starters and all other rec outlaws. We need strong natural resoruces law enforcement with appropriate disincentives to the outlaws. The early starters mess it up for law-abiding recs and they interfere with commercial crabbers who have a legal right to start earlier (and who are also required to stop commercial crabbing earlier in the day than recs).

[BowMovements]

Let's see.....I quote you, you know I am commercial and then you post....... That's not MAKING it PERSONAL????? yeah OK RICH

lmao

[C-Hawk18]

-I am a rec crabber and I strongly support the more hardball penalties for early starters and all other rec outlaws. .

Steve - stop right there....you must be a Commercial Crabber in disguise...JK!

It seems that most LAW-ABIDING crabbers (Recreational and Commercial) feel the exact same way......but then there are those who always have to try and get the "Commercial vs Rec" debate into every single post.

[SteveL]

C-Hawk,

Over the years I have met a lot of commercial crabbers that have treated me very well, including many here on Tidalfish, and over many years of crabbing I have never had a really negative on the water experience with a commercial crabber; all the negative encounters I have had with other crabbers have been with with recs, especially outlaw early starters.

I also strongly support commercial crabbing because that is the way most non-crabbers get to enjoy crabs. I think if the harvest is well managed we will have plenty of crabs for recs and for comms so all the non-rec crab eaters can have their share too.

[C-Hawk18]

I also strongly support commercial crabbing because that is the way most non-crabbers get to enjoy crabs. I think if the harvest is well managed we will have plenty of crabs for recs and for comms so all the non-rec crab eaters can have their share too.


Steve - Your posts are logical and make sense......how in the world did you wind up in this place?

Most of those who post negative things about Comm's do not realize how far "non-crabbers" out number "crabbers". If it came down to a vote (of the general public) where only one group were allowed to crab (Recreational or Commercial) in my mind there is no doubt which group would remain. Just look at the other countries that have outlawed recreational (or catch & release) fishing.

[Dave123]

yo know i love it when my minnow trap bring in so many crab not the size ofkeepers. i puta old 1 yea squikl bait and put couple in it and then hour later i must hae 20 or 30 small crabs this tryig to get into it i wish we could catch and use small crabs for bait but we can't.

Still not a crab fan but cab bait can catch some nice size fish. so i going hopefully hope i can get some nice crab i can keep for bait wise when i go crabing soon.

LEt see curret reg for crab is male has a washington thing on him and he like 5.and haft and females have jeftson on them. i need to find my crab book thing on reg before i head off to crab.

still i wold loe to see our crab get back where they used to be when 30 years ago crab were great! think/?

[C-Hawk18]

LEt see curret reg for crab is male has a washington thing on him and he like 5.and haft and females have jeftson on them. i need to find my crab book thing on reg before i head off to crab.

still i wold loe to see our crab get back where they used to be when 30 years ago crab were great! think/?

Not exactly sure what the first part of this means, but by all means read your Regulations BEFORE you go. Good Luck

[done workin]

Over the years I have met a lot of commercial crabbers that have treated me very well, including many here on Tidalfish, and over many years of crabbing I have never had a really negative on the water experience with a commercial crabber; all the negative encounters I have had with other crabbers have been with with recs, especially outlaw early starters.

Same here.

The only problem I've had was in Shipping Creek 10+ years ago, when a comm. blatantly told me the wrong direction of his line and then got bent when I crossed him. Even had one guy when I got too close to his line one day pull 2-3 of my traps and held them until he was done. Once he pulled his line, he dropped my traps back in. Fair warning enough.

The guys on the South River, at least on the point where I crab, have always been great and some days even helpful. I'll never ask for more than that.

[Big Liar]

AWWW Christ, here with go with this BS again. The exact point I made on the Winter Dredge Survey thread.

Let's see, those doing the least damage deserve the most thanks for their sacrifice and the reason for the rebounding numbers. Gee, based on this "logic", it's the recs who deserve the credit for not keeping ANY FEMALES for 2 years. Don't work that way.

The cumulative efforts of the last 2 years, have things improving. Keep it the way it is for 2 more and let's see where we are.

Gee, now I understand. You felt left out in the Winter Dredge Survey thread. Let me make it right. I personally thank you as well for your sacrifice the last two years. I agree that it was a cumulative effort by everyone involved.

My point during that thread was that everyone was so quick to get in line to pat O'Malley on the back when he was already breaking his own arm to pat himself on the back. Neither person on the thread had even mentioned a word about the only people that lost income from the restrictions. Yes during those two years, you could say that they were only doing what the law states. However: some of the guys that obeyed by those laws, were affected the most because they did rely on sooks in the past for a large portion of their income. If you normally kept sooks in the past, then you too had to sacrifice but it may have meant that you had to stay on the water longer to catch your limit of males or maybe go home with less crabs, but it did not affect your ability to pay bills.

The restrictions did not affect my ability to pay bills at all either because I seldom catch enough sooks to keep. I was just stating what I thought was obivious, and was thanking the people who I felt sacrificed the most and were the most deserving of my gratitude.

[crabby and son]

AGAIN, No one needs to be thanked for obeying the law. As far as who made the biggest sacrifice in monetary value., it was the commercial crabber. It will all work out in the end because all the sacrifices are being made to ensure there are more crabs for the future. I am a rec crabber who never takes females regardless of the new regs. It doesn't hurt me but it is hard on the watermen and I appreciate that sacrifice. I hope your future is brighter........and also mine as I'm in construction............Gary

[BowMovements]

yo know i love it when my minnow trap bring in so many crab not the size ofkeepers. i puta old 1 yea squikl bait and put couple in it and then hour later i must hae 20 or 30 small crabs this tryig to get into it i wish we could catch and use small crabs for bait but we can't.

Still not a crab fan but cab bait can catch some nice size fish. so i going hopefully hope i can get some nice crab i can keep for bait wise when i go crabing soon.

LEt see curret reg for crab is male has a washington thing on him and he like 5.and haft and females have jeftson on them. i need to find my crab book thing on reg before i head off to crab.

still i wold loe to see our crab get back where they used to be when 30 years ago crab were great! think/?

read more than your crab book please! Thist halfs ta bea a joke i hopefully hope. ;-)

[crabby and son]

:eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:doh........... Gary

[C-Hawk18]

Dave123 - Talbot County has a BOLA out for you. Please keep your distance.

A What? BOLA? What in the world is that?

[C-Hawk18]

Correction: BOLO

Be On The Lookout for ......

Gotcha - I thought maybe it was something new. I put BOLO's out all the time.

[rock n crab]

crab and rockfish violations by a comm. is now considered a tier 2 violation. someone CONVICTED of a tier 2 violation will have thier lic. sus. by dnr. i'm sure the same will aply for the recs. eventually. tier 2 means that that spieces is in trouble or need of help. i still think they need more officers to make a differance because there are so many recs. nowadays that don't follow the time laws, i see it every day.

Agree 100%.... they can make all the rules they want but if they don't have the manpower to enforce them they aint worth a darn.....

[crabby and son]

Dave123 - Talbot County has a BOLO out for you. Please keep your distance.

He's at a spillin be today.............Gury

[BowMovements]

BTW, thank God this thread went off topic!