State of the inlets: OBX

[Peddler]

In light of a recent accident in Hatteras inlet, a thread was highjacked and diverted to the issue of the state of NC being responsible. Out of respect for the parties involved i decided not to discuss it on that thread. Both inlets are treacherus. OI on NE winds and HI on SW winds. There is not much that can be done about it. There have been propositions on building a second jetty on the north side of OI that were defeated many times by concerns from environmental groups and locals alike. The jetty at OI that they did build obviusly didnt help much and the cost for a new one couldnt be justified because no one really knows if it would work and it would definately change the dynamic of the eco system. Long term affects are unknown. The failure of the OI jetty gave no reason to try one at Hatteras. Its just a fact of life down here. You take your chances every time you go through there and exercise extreme caution on the appropriate wind or swell. Dredging continues almost constantly but its a never ending battle. Just be careful and use good judgement. Many experienced captains have found themselves in big trouble even after years of navigating through these inlets. My only reason for this thread is to voice my displeasure with someone referring to my home as "the SORRY ass state of NC" and blaming our local government for the accident. It was insulting and i suspect that his motive for saying that had to do with alot more than the inlet. All coastal states are involved in many sensitive issues regarding fisheries management, pollution, coastal development, safety and so on. Virginia is no different and there is much work to be done to resolve these issues. I dont know everything about the inlets or the many other issues but i do know that there is too much hatred, finger pointing and misinformation being spread by one sided individuals. I too have been guilty in the past of being too rash in my statements and bitching while being apathetic. I am becoming more involved with some of our groups down here especially to fight environmental groups that threaten ALL fishermen. I need to educate myself better so that maybe it will make a difference and i wont speak out without knowing all sides of the issues. Sorry for the rant and yes I'll get off my soapbox now. pete rec/charter/consumer

[happy hours]

Thanks for not putting up for that stupid comment on the Va board.:thumbup:

[gary49]

I agree with you completely, Peddler. The N.C. and federal gov't has been throwing money at OI for decades, and it's still a really dangerous inlet under some conditions, Hatteras hasn't had so much money thrown at it, they aren't trying to keep it open for large commercial boats, and that's probably a good thing, all things considered. I'd rather they spent money making sure the channels in the sound and the ICW stay as deep as they are supposed to be. Really sorry to hear about the accident at HI, have to feel terrible for the captain and his family. Is there any more info on how it happened?

[Peddler]

Still not clear.http://islandfreepress.org/2010Archives/05.02.2010-OnEPersonDiesWhenBoatCapsizesInHatterasInletButFiv eAreRescued.html

[Fishboy OV8]

Peddler,

I can't believe you posted this thread just to voice your displeasure with a statement made on the Va Angler board. Why would you have to start a new thread just to continue your rant.

In case others didn't see what you are talking about...... http://www.tidalfish.com/forums/showthread.php/285494-Boat-Overturns-Hatteras-Inlet

KWB23VB said " The SORRY ass state of NC should be held responsible. Some of the best fishing on the east coast and they had shitty inlets?????? Something really needs to be done. "


It's news, it's on the TV, internet and papers, people will talk about it and people will have an opinion. KWB had an opinion, he thinks that the government should do more to make the inlets safer so we don't have to hear of such tragedies, that's not insulting to the famlies. I haven't read many details of the accident, but when the public becomes aware of such a tragedy, the "people" stand up and ask questions to the government that could change things, make things safer, so that this type of tragedy doesn't happen again, trying to make something happen to better the way of life of the fisherman. That's not hatred or insulting, it's caring about one another,wanting to make the world a safer and better place. We hear stories of something good coming from a tragedy somewhere down the road all the time. KWB nor anyone else on TF means any ill will towards the way of life of the fisherman or the family involved in this tragic accident. Our thoughts and prayers are with them. :bigangel:

[Peddler]

Brian, do you really think its ok to refer to an entire state as "sorry ass"? We seem to agree that not much can be done about the inlets. We just dont agree that bashing an entire state on another states board is not hatred. We both know this has nothing to do with this issue but has everything to do with the grudge you have held over me for the last several years. Ever since then you have attacked me at every chance with a lawyer like character assasination campaign. The last time you attacked me it was over an on the water courtesy issue that also had nothing to do with you and we exchanged several PM's. It seemed that we had resolved a few things and i even invited you down ro my rig at OIFC to continue the discussion like adults and show you a few things that we do on our boat. You never showed up but i still thought things between us had been resolved. Obviusly not. The reason i put this on the NC board was that i didnt want to highjack that thread any further and start a VA vs NC bitching session out of respect for the poster and captain Aaron. I found kwbvb23's remark offensive and i stand by that. Get over the grudge and leave me alone!

[Fishboy OV8]

I think you think everyone is out to get you......it's called debating the subject......I'm not attacking you !!!!! You don't want to hear from anyone with a different opinion, so you think it's an attack on you, I find debating stimulates my mind. I guess KWB doesn't like NC, but he's intitled to his opinion, just like you and I are. I also think there are lots of things wrong w/ or government and maybe KWB has a gripe w/ them. I found your remark, "check" himself, to KWB offensive, and I'll stick by it.......... he meant no harm, he just thinks that NC should do a better job taking care of the inlets.

As far as coming down to your rig @ OIFC, I don't get down as much as I used to, think I only fished offshore once last year.........If i get down that way I'll stop by and shake your hand becase there's no grudge.

[Peddler]

So now you know what i'm thinking? Seriusly, are you a lawyer? A cop? A psycologist? I'll tell you what i think. I think i love the state of North Carolina and the people who live here. I think there is too much internet bashing. I think when someone refers to my home as "sorry ass" i need to stand up and tell them to check themselves. I think you are an internet stalker who will find a problem with anything i say. I think you dont share my love and respect for all fishermen whether they be recs, charters or commercials so you find it necessary to stalk and discredit me. I think I'm going to bed now.

[Brandon]

I read the sorry ass statement, I really do not know anyone where and am just reading the thread/comment and taking it for what it is worth. I think the guy is upset about losing a fellow angler and thinks the state/feds need to do something to help improve the potentially dangerous conditions. While I am not from NC, I did go to UNC, CHapel Hill so there is some NC in my blood and I really do not take the "sorry ass state" comment as an insult against NC as a whole. The fact is politics run states and sometimes politics can lead to some pretty dumb hard to understand results, I think that is what the statement is about. While I am all for taking up for something, I think in the given context here it suggests that the comment was more in a positive light that something should be done so we do not lose any more people, then trying to insult a whole state.

Brandon

[Peddler]

I respect you point of view Brandon. I still find it hard to believe that his comment was just about this accident or the inlet. My origional response was intended to put the emphasis back on the tragic loss of life and not make this any worse than it already is. IMO kwb23vb should check his own motives for making a statement that is insulting and unnecessary. I was hoping that this thread would divert the bickering from the origional one and spread awareness of the dangers of the inlets that can not be significantly changed. It was also my intent to voice my opinion that bashing an entire state for any reason is wrong without highjacking the origional thread.

[whatsuprock]

Has anyone heard exactly what happened and what the conditions were like?

[old town angler]

Hell, all those inlets can come and go with a good storm ! Look at the whole outer banks history and you would know that inlets have appeared and disappeared over the years. It's mother nature and she will find a way to do what she wants with her earth. Even the last few years with the water breaking through cutting off Hatteras.

[Hawkeye]

Has anyone heard exactly what happened and what the conditions were like?

I have some video I shot comming thru Hatteras Inlet about 3:30 pm May 1 2010. The tide was still going out. We were about 3 miles in front of the Miss Hatteras that seen them 1st called to the Native Son who was behind him. Native Son rescued 3 of the survours and went to find the 2 lost one. Lucky they found them. I have seen the inlet a lot rougher then it was but the currents are tricky in that inlet. Here is a link to the youtube clip of the inlet that afternoon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EbW9EO2f58

Here is another video of that morning going out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obeqg-6kFHQ

[jmadre]

I'm on Hatteras Island quite a bit and every time I go over the Bonner Bridge I see at least one dredge working Oregon Inlet. Two weeks ago there were two. It received a major dredging operation last summer.

In fact, as I type this there is a dredge working the inlet that I can see on the Oregon Inlet webcam at http://www.darenc.com/webcam/oregoninletLogin.asp (User: viewer, password: viewer).

I don't know about Hatteras Inlet, but Oregon Inlet has been getting quite a bit of attention lately. Anyone who thinks otherwise is apparently not familiar with what goes on at OI.

Jeff

[kwb23vb]

Dredging those inlets is like pissing in the wind when there is no jetties on each side to keep the sand from moving right back in. Forget all the tree hugging evironmental people and make these inlets safe. Simple LARGE long rock jetties. No rocket science!

[jmadre]

Forget all the tree hugging evironmental people and make these inlets safe. Simple LARGE long rock jetties. No rocket science!

We would appreciate any help you can give us with the "tree-hugging environmentalists". They're giving us a heck of a time on Hatteras Island and we can use all the help you can muster. These groups are some of the same that are attempting to shutdown the beaches.

Please go to http://www.preservebeachaccess.org/landingnew/deis.html and make your comments on the DEIS before midnight today to help us.

Thanks,
Jeff

[carey]

very very interesting thread.....
i've always found that peddler gets along with EVERYONE on here

[Peddler]

kwb23vb, thank you for posting your opinion on this thread and not continuing the political debate on a thread that was intended to pay respect to the victims of an unfortunate accident at HI. I also want to thank you for voicing your opinion without any unnecessary bashing of NC. I simply disagree that these inlets can be made "safe". Even if it could be done, the affects on the natural ecosystem in those areas could not be predicted. One of the reasons i love the obx so much is that it is one of the few places on the east coast that is relatively unspoiled. One of the main reasons for this is that OI and HI have not been covered in rock and concrete and made into large industrial ports. That is also one of the main reasons i disagree with the attitudes of Audobon, DOW, PEW and the other groups that want to take away access from people who want to enjoy our relatively unspoiled beaches and inlets. Overdevelopment in other areas has caused most of the problems with turtles and seabirds but for some reason we are the ones being blamed for their demise and we have to pay the price. Accidents occur in almost every inlet on the east coast regardless of how much rock they've thrown at them. Thats all this was, an accident, just like the many that have occured at rudee, lynnhaven, oyster, the mouth of ches bay etc... Any time you go through any inlet in high winds or swell you are taking a risk. Just my opinion.