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ASMFC is at it again, entertaining ways to make another bad situation worse.
http://www.flyrodreel.com/blogs/tedwilliams/2010/may/continues-commercial-bass
What kills me is how bad all this is and how the conservation fishing clubs are leading the fight, but they will not question ludicrous statements about overfishing. The stock is not overfished? Even if 70% of the fish sampled are going to die from myco? Not sure how the fishing clubs ever hope to change this if they won't go after the faulty science. If natural, disease related mortality is increasing, then the margins for fishing related mortality change too. If the commercial fishing entities like ASMFC are not will to recognize the effect of a disease like myco, then they're not really using science. Unfortunately, they don't have to use science. There's nobody turning the screws to them. Business as usual.
B-Faithful
05-08-2010, 08:09 AM
The redistribution of the striped bass allocation will be going to public comment. While I think it is a weak move by the represenatives of the ASMFC since they had pleanty of time to understand the position of their constituents after the feb meeting, it could be a good thing if the public responds with outrage. I know the MSSA is aware of this and I have spoken to the executive director of the RFA about it. The key will be to get the message out to recreational anglers that fish will be taken from them and given to the commercial side. To me this reduces access and opportunity for recreational anglers in favor of commercial fishermen. Season length, creel limits, and/or size limits stand to get tougher for recreational anglers along the coast... and not for conservation but to expand the commercial harvest. Given that there are no indications that the commercial market needs are not being met, there is no justification for this reallocation especially since all indicators show the value of the fish is increasing on the recreational side.
I know it is a BIG "IF" to whether or not the public will respond with outrage. However, there have been some indicators that recreational fishermen and the organizations that represent them are gaining in strength and speaking with a better voice. I believe the internet is helping with that. We obviously know that the commercial voice has been strongly united with a stronger lobby. I hope, but am concerned, that this is a stick that awakens the rec voice some more.
To be clear, the ASMFC is not looking to increase the size of the pie but are looking to change the sizes of the slices. It is not a conservation move at all or expansion of harvest.
C-Hawk18
05-08-2010, 08:14 AM
I really like this part.....
"a report from law enforcement personnel on "significant and unreported" poaching in the Exclusive Economic Zone,"
If I understand it correctly a Law Enforcement Officer is "REPORTING" on "UNREPORTED" poaching. He's saying it's his job to report the poaching violations that he knows about, but he didn't do it? and it's Significant?
And then the "VOTE"....
"Nonetheless, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Delaware, Maryland, the Potomac River Fisheries Commission, the District of Columbia, Virginia, North Carolina and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service voted to push forward with increasing commercial harvest. "
All of the above are wrong (in the BLOGGER'S opinion) so which states were right? Any?
Gotta Love the "Power" that anyone have have on the Internet.
Brandon
05-11-2010, 04:33 PM
It is possible that the allocation will not be taken from recs and given to commercials, but rather it is possible that TAC is increased. I received word that this is still on the table from someone on the striped bass advisory committee today.
Also, regarding poaching, that whole argument is out the window. They ran the "model" with poaching at 10,20 and 30% and it was not shown to move the needle on overall mortality. Pretty interesting model, but that's the one they are using.
I am ready to catch all these rockfish, now if I can only find them:fishing2: :help:
B-Faithful
05-11-2010, 06:57 PM
Brandon, Do they believe that the need for striped bass on the commercial market is not being met? Or is this solely based on "fairness" since the recreational has gone up so much? Everything that I have read cites market prices have been depressed for the fish commercially. Would expanding the harvest only depress the market value of the fish more? What is the gain or benefit that the dept of of commerce sees by expanding the allocation?
Brandon
05-11-2010, 07:00 PM
Stop Greg, you're making too much sense doh
C-Hawk18
05-23-2010, 07:29 AM
ASMFC is at it again, entertaining ways to make another bad situation worse.
http://www.flyrodreel.com/blogs/tedwilliams/2010/may/continues-commercial-bass
What kills me is how bad all this is and how the conservation fishing clubs are leading the fight, but they will not question ludicrous statements about overfishing. The stock is not overfished? Even if 70% of the fish sampled are going to die from myco? Not sure how the fishing clubs ever hope to change this if they won't go after the faulty science. If natural, disease related mortality is increasing, then the margins for fishing related mortality change too. If the commercial fishing entities like ASMFC are not will to recognize the effect of a disease like myco, then they're not really using science. Unfortunately, they don't have to use science. There's nobody turning the screws to them. Business as usual.
Matt,
Any idea which Board member made the Proposal?
Black Irish
05-23-2010, 07:10 PM
I guess Board members can't be influenced by lobbies, huh C-Hawk?
C-Hawk18
05-23-2010, 07:51 PM
I guess Board members can't be influenced by lobbies, huh C-Hawk?
Typical for you Rich - Answer a question with a question. Do you have have the answer to my question?
crabby and son
05-24-2010, 08:50 AM
80 % of all commercial seafood sold in this country comes from foreign waters, un inspected and contaminated by our standards............Gary
C-Hawk18
05-24-2010, 10:36 AM
80 % of all commercial seafood sold in this country comes from foreign waters, un inspected and contaminated by our standards............Gary
Did I miss some posts between the original and this one? For some reason I don't see a connection.
Black Irish
05-24-2010, 05:22 PM
Typical for you Rich - Answer a question with a question. Do you have have the answer to my question?
Yes, I typically ignore rhetorical questions.
Who's Rich?
crabby and son
05-24-2010, 07:22 PM
Did I miss some posts between the original and this one? For some reason I don't see a connection.
With the 80% consumption of seafood coming from foreign markets, it takes A LOT of weight off our fishery. It's not a good thing importing all that seafood but what would our fishery look like if we supplied it all...........Gary.
Capt.Nick
05-24-2010, 08:22 PM
80 % of all commercial seafood sold in this country comes from foreign waters, un inspected and contaminated by our standards............Gary Foreign Seafood is inspeted more so than domestic by customs.
Sometimes held for a month before released.
crabby and son
05-24-2010, 09:40 PM
Foreign Seafood is inspeted more so than domestic by customs.
Sometimes held for a month before released.
Customs has nothing to do with domestic seafood and USDA does VERY little inspections of domestic seafood. Only about 10-20 % of foreign seafood is inspected and a large percentage fails our countries standards............Gary
C-Hawk18
05-25-2010, 04:10 AM
I guess Board members can't be influenced by lobbies, huh C-Hawk?
I did find out that the incease was proposed by Commissioner Pat Augustine, a RECREATIONAL representative from New York. By INFLUENCE are you inferring BRIBERY?
LY2000
05-25-2010, 02:24 PM
I read that 50% of all the seafood consumed in the USA is from aquaculture originating hear and from over seas. It seems to be the future of the industry and I wish more watermen would embrace it.
C-Hawk18
05-25-2010, 07:27 PM
I read that 50% of all the seafood consumed in the USA is from aquaculture originating hear and from over seas. It seems to be the future of the industry and I wish more watermen would embrace it.
No problems with Farm raised fish right? Wanna talk about PCB'S?
LY2000
05-26-2010, 08:35 AM
No problems with Farm raised fish right? Wanna talk about PCB'S?
If more would embrace it...it would become a cleaner operation don't you think?
Black Irish
05-26-2010, 09:51 AM
I did find out that the incease was proposed by Commissioner Pat Augustine, a RECREATIONAL representative from New York. By INFLUENCE are you inferring BRIBERY?
Nice spin Chawk but...I would not call him a recreational representative. I would call him a governor's appointee that every recreational group in NY is currently trying to have removed. You mentioned bribery, not me. Check the dictionary for the meanings of 'influence'.
C-Hawk18
05-26-2010, 11:58 AM
You mentioned bribery, not me. Check the dictionary for the meanings of 'influence'.
Hey RICH - here you go on your definitions......pick which you are referring to please...Thanks!
1 a : an ethereal fluid held to flow from the stars and to affect the actions of humans b : an emanation of occult power held to derive from stars
2 : an emanation of spiritual or moral force
3 a : the act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion of force or direct exercise of command b : corrupt interference with authority for personal gain
4 : the power or capacity of causing an effect in indirect or intangible ways : sway
5 : one that exerts influence
Nice spin Chawk but...I would not call him a recreational representative.
If not recreational then please show me a "Commercial Interest" that has influenced him.
Black Irish
05-26-2010, 12:57 PM
Hahaha...I can't fix stupid...I gotta remember that. :D
C-Hawk18
05-26-2010, 01:22 PM
Hahaha...I can't fix stupid...I gotta remember that. :D
RICH - as always...it's easy to tell when you have absolutely nothing to back up what you say.....you start with personal attacks........it's funny that you are SO easy to out! Don't quit your day job!
Black Irish
05-26-2010, 02:27 PM
Bring something to the argument besides spin and rhetoric, otherwise you are the Richard.
C-Hawk18
05-26-2010, 03:02 PM
Bring something to the argument besides spin and rhetoric, otherwise you are the Richard.
BLAH, BLAH BLAH is all I'm hearing.......and course you just brought up the word ARGUMENT.....so I see why YOU are here.
I took my brother and friends fishing on thursday and friday. I'm not out there much these days because I'm busy, but the striped bass were few and far between. No birds, no breaking fish. If there were as many striped bass out there as crab pots, we'd be in good shape. The 2010 striped bass fishery is in shambles, as I predicted when amendment 6 passed. Just because some "sportfishing" big boater in NY wants to turn every fish into profit says nothing about how bad this is. Its over. We're literally waiting for the next moratorium.