View Full Version : Bottom Mapping -Lost Art or....
Reel Draggin Tackle
01-15-2011, 08:52 PM
Remember the days long before these high rez Navonics or C-Map Bottom Bathmetry (BT) plotter add ons? Wow, have we come a long way or what! While most anglers I know have just followed the releases of the latest add on, there are still a few guys out there building their own charts. We use to do it by hand. Making note of unusual features on our paper charts.
Times have changed. I have been doing my own charting for years. Most who know me know I have used Lowrance for over 20 years. A long while back Lowrance introduced the capability to record raw time series data. Most anglers saw no use, or just don't have time to make use of it.
In this post, I'll present some of the things we are doing with this very under rated (in my opinion) Lowrance capability. And, yes there are other units that record, I am just not up to speed on their capabilities. So, lets hear for anyone who is using this and how it benifits them.
Reel Draggin Tackle
01-16-2011, 04:07 PM
Here is a survey track we ran a while back. All of the sonar data was recorded for post processing on a PC. This includes Side Scan data. I will wrap up this topic with a demonstration of what we are doing with our side scan recordings.
The area under survey is near the 85a in the chesepeake bay.
http://reeldraggintackle.com/images/Survey%20Images/85a/Track1.png
Reel Draggin Tackle
02-10-2011, 07:39 PM
Running the Acoustic data we recorded along that track through some PC software I was able to create a bathmetry map like this.
http://reeldraggintackle.com/images/Survey%20Images/85a/BT1.png
Reel Draggin Tackle
02-10-2011, 07:43 PM
Changing to a 3D picture makes it easier to look at;
http://reeldraggintackle.com/images/Survey%20Images/85a/3d_contur1.png
Reel Draggin Tackle
02-10-2011, 07:48 PM
There are a few holes in the data, but databasing the recorded data allows you to overlap and combine until you have all that you want. Why go through the trouble..... Well, if you are interested in structure you should be interested in this. While the NAVIONICS, CMAP, INSIGHT, BLUE CHARTS etc all do a fair job and as far as knowing bottom depth and contours, they are fairly good. However, they do not provide detailed structure like this.
Reel Draggin Tackle
02-10-2011, 07:53 PM
Having all of this on your PC is one thing. However, who brings their laptop on the boat? Not many and not for long! We have invested quite a bit in PC software so we have the ability to conduct very detailed area surveys. We can generate an output file for just about any plotter that will display additional contours ontop of your current plot overlay. Here is an overlay image;
http://reeldraggintackle.com/images/Survey%20Images/85a/Hardness2%20with%20Depth%20overlay.png
Reel Draggin Tackle
02-10-2011, 07:55 PM
Notice that in the image above the colors changed. I remapped the colors to be relative to bottom hardness. The hotter the color the harder the bottom. If you are looking for hard vs soft bottoms this data is priceless.
tksmitty
02-10-2011, 08:37 PM
Wow, that is some pretty bad a$$ voodoo right there. Thanks for sharing.
skipperwork
02-10-2011, 08:41 PM
How did you determine the bottom hardness. I know how when viewing a screen shot but don't know how to capture all that data for an entire area.
Reel Draggin Tackle
02-10-2011, 08:51 PM
The HDS can continiously record the raw timeseries data. Within the data header there contains a bunch of information including GPS position and signal intensity. Changes in signal intensity are used to determine changes in bottom hardness. Right now we can only determine that a bottom went from hard to soft, or that the area has a hard bottom. However, studies have been done so that once we get this reference information into our software we'll be able to determine exactly what the bottom type is. All of this is currently done post processing on a PC, however overlays can be created to put back into your plotter so you can customize your favorate fishing holes.
Reel Draggin Tackle
02-10-2011, 08:54 PM
This image combines hardness & contours into a 3d view.
http://reeldraggintackle.com/images/Survey%20Images/85a/3d_Hard1.png
skipperwork
02-10-2011, 09:14 PM
Now, the big question is how much does this software cost. Or is it still being developed.
Reel Draggin Tackle
02-11-2011, 05:29 AM
The cheapest and most easy to learn and use is Dr. Depth
http://www.drdepth.se/
I think the total package is less than $500.00
Lowrance also provides sonar replay software at no charge. It is a nice tool to quickly replay and screen everything you recorded in both sonar view and side scan view.
Reel Draggin Tackle
02-11-2011, 05:35 AM
I am still working on overlaying the scanned images for this area. Here is a scan that shows a small rock pile that correlates with one hot spots indicating a change from a soft bottom to a hard bottom.
http://reeldraggintackle.com/images/Survey%20Images/85a/scan1.png
Jaybr
02-11-2011, 05:46 AM
I need to get you out on my boat for a setup/training session.
Reel Draggin Tackle
02-11-2011, 05:49 AM
Here is a much better image showing hardness in color with the depth contours;
http://reeldraggintackle.com/images/Survey%20Images/85a/Hardness3%20with%20Depth%20overlay.png
Reel Draggin Tackle
02-11-2011, 06:13 AM
This is how one of the debree fields looks on the Lowrance HDS10
http://reeldraggintackle.com/images/Survey%20Images/shot%2021.png
Reel Draggin Tackle
02-11-2011, 06:18 AM
Here is another one;
http://reeldraggintackle.com/images/Survey%20Images/shot%2033.png
Reel Draggin Tackle
02-11-2011, 06:23 AM
When we originally did this survey we had no capability to overlay the scan images onto the contour maps. So, our survey track was not optimized for a scan; it was optimized for determining bottom hardness and contours. Which means we made multiple passes over the same area. This will generate the best bottom hardness and contour image, but the scans loose detail. It is a software issue that is being worked on.
DirtyFrank
02-11-2011, 07:25 AM
Dr Depth works fairly well, I've been taking recording from an LCX-18 and loading them up, I've gotten some good detail on the BB rock piles using just the depth analysis, don't have the bottom hardness yet.
27 sailfish
02-11-2011, 04:10 PM
Hey , I know that spot.
SonarTRX
08-18-2011, 02:25 PM
To TidalFish forum members,
SonarTRX has a built-in sonar data viewer and also generates map image-tiles for viewing your Humminbird Side Imaging or Lowrance StructureScan recordings with Google Earth.
You can then use Google Earth to annotate your fishing area with KML placemarks, paths and polygons. (These can be converted back to GPX Waypoints, tracks or routes.)
Here is a sample image from an area with coral reef and sand bottom.
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Best Regards,
Tore
tore@sonartrx.com
http://www.sonartrx.com