SPREADS TO PULL W/OUT OUTRIGGERS

[bigg09]

WHAT WOULD YOU PULL FROM A CC IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE OUTRIGGERS GOING OUT OF OI THIS WEEKEND. I KNOW THE BITE CAN CHANGE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. SHOULD I BUY A PLANNER BOARD OR TRY AND FIND ONE OF THOSE BIRDS THAT TRACKS TO THE SIDE?

MY TYPICAL SPREAD:

1 PLANNER (SPOON OR MEAT)
1 FLATS (NAKED,WITCH,SMALL DAISY CHAIN W/MEAT)
2 OFF THE TTOP SIDES WITCHES
1 ISLANDER DOWN THE MIDDLE BEHIND THE WITCHES
1 BIRD W/ GREEN MACHINE

ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS?


TWO WEEKS AGO WENT 3 OFR 7 ON YFT
LAST WEEK GOT SKUNKED? EVEN HAD 2 PLANNERS AND AN INLINE OUT WHEN THE BITE WENT BELOW

THANKS
CASEY

[Sublime]

I'd go buy some outriggers to fix my problem......
I'm trying to figure out how to bring them down to the bahamas next year for a rental boat....
with the price of fuel these days you are crazy not to invest a couple hundred dollars in some cheap outriggers to maximize your spread.....a couple of buffs will justify the riggers....

[Miles Offshore]

casey- you have b-mail[smile]

[Richard A]

Casey,You cant buy experence. Like Sublime said go buy some outriggers, You can get some 15' riggers cheap. This would spread your baitsout 40' instead 10'. Hell go get some rigger holders and I will let you use my set next time. Dont see how you do with out them. Richard

[JamesM]

If you can't buy some outriggers, add a couple of rod holders that sit in the regular rod holder and angle at 90 degrees. Then use your longest rod in this holder. This will give you about 6' to either side of the boat and give you a bit of a wider spread. If you plan to do a lot of offshore fishing, invest in a decent pair of outriggers. The money will be well spent.

[bigg09]

THANKS FOR THE HELP. I HAVE THE RIGGER HOLDERS, JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE IN MY SHOES. I AM TRYING TO AVOID THE TIGRESS OUTRIGGER SITUATION, BUT DON'T NESSASARILY WANT TO PUT BIG HOLES IN THE BOAT EITHER. DAD AND I WILL WEIGH OUT THE OPTIONS.
CASEY

[goldman]

Try running a naked horse WTFB (1/2 spool on a 50w). Rig it with a 3/4oz chin weight 150# flouro leader.

Then put your GM/bird right in the middle of the spread where the wash turns to clean water.

[Darren]

Casey,
You loose 2 things with no out riggers. First you don't have a big wide spread. This time of year that isn't necessarily a bad thing. The pups seem to like a tight spread so having them piled up on top of one another so thats kind of a good thing.

The second disadvantage is not being able to make a sharp turn back over a spot loaded with fish. You'll have to take it slow and easy so you don't tangle lines. That can be frustrating when you know where the fish are and need to get turned back to them.

You can still pull 7 or 8 lines with no outriggers, 2 flats, 2 shorts, 2 longs, a shot gun, and you can even add a short shotgun if you like. You can replace 1 or both flats with a shovel if you like. I don't throw the planer in the water first thing because I feel it's hurts the bite if they are up top. If it is slow or people are hitting them deep, or I am marking fish deep then the shovel goes over the side.

On the flats I like nakeds, splitbills, witches, small islanders like the tracker, or cedar plus (especially chains of them). Some guys like to pull spreader bars on the flats, but it's not something I normally do unless I am pulling almost all spreader bars.

I'll usually pull a shart shotgun right behind the flats and in front of the shorts. It will always be a spreader bar, and most times one with birds on the tips of the bar. I want something right in the middle of the works that is big and raises a fuss to get the fishes attention on the spread. If he sees the middle of the buffet then he should see all the deserts stacked around it and come on in to dine.

Since you don't have outriggers I'd put the shorts and longs off the hard top, especially if you pull chains. Getting some height on the lines will help bounce the baits along the top of the water. The shorts are where I normally pull chains of squids or green machines. The longs usually get a larger islander or sea witch.

The long shotgun usually gets a bigger bait with meat on it. Most times I'll put a small play action bird in front of it. I've never been a fan of the large Boones and such. They are a pain to pull and I can get plenty of splash from one of the smaller ones.

Sorry I got so long winded. Hope some of this rambling helps you out.

[Ancient Mariner]

HI:
Pin the close in lures, as LOW as you can to the water line. Put feathers here or small jets.
Put small jets(larger than the close in lures) or small straight runners, back in the 3rd wake wave. Rubberbans the mainline to the reel handle......STAGGER these in your wake.
Put small birds with tails here. Run GM types or pushers here in the 4th wake wave. Run off ror tips. AGAIN....stager the lures so you can make turns. Put at least 3 T'ZERS in front of your lures. WHY?
'Cause your spread is small. You have to expand it and make it bigger looking for your quarry. T'zer setups will do that. Even works with o/riggers.
If you get a chance look at my site and look at inshor and offshor4e spreEADS. I show pictures of them and where to put them in your spread.
WWB....(?) run a straight runer bird combo. Make sure you run at least a 3 T'ZER setup behind the bird.
B mail me if you have anymore questions.
WACKM N STACKM
Joseph B...aka...Ancient Mariner

[mattmccoy]

Just run a green stick down the middle. Thats what the commercial guys do. A 80w attached to a bird can substitute for a green stick. As your line runs out attach kite release clips to it and run other poles to the kite clips. You can run a spread of 6 down the middle and still set other poles out to the sides.