National Angler Registry / M-s Reauth Act
A National Angler Registry is one of the requirements of the re-authorozed Mangnusun-Stevens Act in order to improve the MRFSS.
The National Angler Registry also has a goal of restoring confidence to the methods NMFS uses to determine fishing effort and fish stocks.
A few states that already have recreational salt water fishing licenses may be exempted from changing their fishing —rules and licensure regulations. Others have provisions which will probably have to be changed in order to meet the requirements of a Federal Registry of Saltwater Anglers(now being developed) to be operational by Jan 1, 2009. (one year from now).
When the plan is in place in Jan 1, 2009, it is not expected to be perfect, but is expected to develop from the first year into a more perfect method of reporting recreational catches than has been going on for the last 10 years(MRFSS).
Youth under 16 appear to be exempted from purchasing a VA licnese.
Seniors in VA may be exempted
For-hire Charters may be safe(for now) , as their catch can be determined by alternate methods.
The following may not be acceptable exemptions:
Fishing on licensed private vessel / the present Virginia “boat “ licenses
Fishing on private pier or shore
It is unclear how the new National Angler Program will effect “reciprocity” / that is, purchasing a Maryland license allows one to fish in Virginia without the necessity of purchasing a VA license.
Issues with the exemptions:
Seniors must have some form of registry to include them in to the survey.
Combination licenses(fresh water and salt water combined )
Reciprocal licenses (between states)??
States that can provide alternative information may received Exempted status for that particular group in the individual state.
For–Hire charters may be required to be registered with the National saltwater angler registry
It is critical that the licensing requirements eliminate exemptions and non-compliance by segments of the fishing public.. Significant efforts to enforce these regulation requirements will be necessary.
The NATIONAL ANGLER RESGISTRY Team meetings will take place once a month. The purpose of the Registry is to provide a current list of recreational salt water anglers that can be used in fish surveys to improve the flawed, MRFSS, and put some confidence into to the process. Outreach efforts to keep the recreational fishing community informed of the progress of the meetings and each state Director of Fisheries( Travelsted in VA) will be informed of the proceedings so that he will not be blind sided by guys like Dr. Allen.
Of the 14 members of the Registry Team 3 names are familiar to Virginia Anglers:
Jim Donfrio RFA
Dick Brame CCA
Eric Barth VMRC
This information was exerpted from minutes of several meetings that the "Development Team" have already completed.
Any change in the Virginia recreational salt water license program probably will result in increased fees , money coming into a RFAB with too much money already and which the Governor has targeted to help him fund an inadequately funded State Budget. This license fee becomes a tax, as he is projecting it's use into his next budget... a fee becomes a tax on the recreational angler.
Bob Allen, Hampton, VA
Last edited by Bob Allen; 12-31-2007 at 05:18 PM.
Reason: spelling of "money"....
I doubt that VA can come into compliance by Jan. 1, 2009 as it would take legislative action to do things like doing away with the boat license, change the fee structure, etc. I heard bits and pieces of this a few weeks ago, during those discussions there no discussion of legislative action during the 2007 session.
I appreciate you getting this information out there to the rest of the folks.
Is it just me or does talk of the government registering folks by name for what is a RIGHT in VA make anyone else uncomfortable?
I guess that's what we're doing when we buy a license though...
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Interesting reading. I find it amusing that with the enforcement people that they now have they want to be able to force people to register fishing from their own shore or own pier. What are we supposed to do....turn ourselves in for violations or take our neighbor, Fred, down to the city jail as a citizen's arrest.
Keeping a track of numbers shouldn't be that hard when it comes to those who have the MAJOR impact on fishing. We really need to spending money for hiring people to collect more data of that kind.
MRFSS has proved to be totally incompetent collecting recreational fishing information.
Virginia anglers have been the most vocal to NMFS and ASMFC complaining that some other way should be used to collect data.
NMFS responded by reviewing the MRFSS and confirmed the shortcomings. Included in the Magnusun Stevens reauthorization act was a provision to change the way data is collected.
To fulfill the needed replacement to MRFSS, NMFS has selected a Registry devopment Task Force.
This is the result of the Development team to get a registry so that the survey will be of bona-fied recreational saltwater anglers when the poller picks up the telephone to see if the person answering has been salt water fishing...as of this date, telephone numbers are randomly selected....many telephoned do not even know what salt water fishing is!!!
States which have a license already in place , like Virginia have few modifications to make...however the biggest loophole here in VA will be the fishing piers and the "boat "license, because folks fishing these areas leave no trail of their fishing trips.
Each state has a youth exemption and therefore it will not be changed.( under age 16).
Apparently all states exempt 65 and older citizens...the states may require a (free) license for old folks just get the old folks onto the REGISTRY. It was determined by the Task Force designing the Registry that a significant number of recreational anglers fit into the "senior" category --and therefore into an un regisered or unlicensed category. A large group, difficult to reach (count) unless that group is listed in a registry along with all other anglers. That "seniors" group is unmeasurable at present in all states.
If another way of poviding names and phone numbers to the Registry to Boat licenses and commercial fishing piers, then VA will be exempted from any altherations of the fishing license regulations. ( I do not see VA be exempted, from what I read) VA will have to change the license law and most everyone will be required to possess an individual license.
More money will flow into the Recreational License fund, a fund already bloated with money and ripe for the picking from LEgislature or the governor as is happening right now. Governor Kaine is turning this license fee into a tax. The recreational fishing license fee is entriely too high and should be reduced by the legislature...quickly....in 2008
Those states without recreastional salt water licenses must enact one or become a part of the Federal Registry.
We will hear more of this. South Caorlina is planning legislative action this year so that their recreational license will be in compliance and S C will be one of the "exempted "states.
Bob Allen, Hampton VA
Let me get this straight. These boys want a National Registry of Fisherman so that they can CALL them and SURVEY them.
There's a reason that I'm not a Crack Cocaine dealer, pimp or a Wall Street broker......I hate telephones ringing. I am particularly unhappy when it is a SURVEY. I answer NO telephone surveys because it's the best way to have a really stupid person who has no idea what the survey is about to ask inane questions to someone who is GUESSING at his answers.
I get pharmaceutical surveys in the mail all the time. They offer me MONEY to fill them out. You won't get rich doing it and it won't even buy a hamburger but it's real cash which they sometimes will put in the envelope in advance. I write in BIG BOLD PRINT across the survey that the last thing I do is to make a mark on the wall every time I prescribe a drug, I do have a way of tracking patients but I'll be damned if I'll do it for them because my time is supposed to be spent taking care of people NOT filling out surveys.
Think about it and I know YOU do. How accurate have you felt the information was about ANY survey that you ever filled out? Even the ones that try to be more helpful by ranking things from 1-5 , good to evil?
We are a country that lives by the survey and by the polling processes. I recently had Anthem send me a letter telling me that according to their recent survey I did not tell 85% of my smoking patients NOT to quit smoking. They wanted an explanation from me and were reducing my reimbursement to force me to change my evil ways.
My response was that they sent out 250 surveys, received 50 responses. Two hundred of my people recognized it as a totally ridiculous question and threw the survey away....or were just too busy to answer ONE question. The other 50.....well 85% of them were liars.
What they should have been trying to figure out is what was special about the 15% that I supposedly told to quit......but then I would have had to tell them that those people were the ones that I had chosen for the Genetic Selection Process in MY new society.....and that they fished with me.
Here is the recommendations from this national team. Note that the exemption that Bob (and this document) refers to is exemption from the requirement to get a federal permit to fish for anadromous fish within state waters. Tom
Recommended Approach for Establishing a National Saltwater Angler Registry and State Exemption Program (“Registry Program”) pursuant to Sec. 401 of the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act
National Saltwater Angler Registry Team (“Registry Team”)
I. A federal rule would be adopted that will require any U.S resident, other than a person who holds a commercial fishing license or permit issued by the appropriate regulatory authority, who is:
-angling or in possession of fish or operating a vessel that carries recreational fishing passengers for-hire in the EEZ or beyond the EEZ;
- angling or operating a vessel that carries recreational fishing passengers for-hire and who is in possession of anadromous fish in any waters;
to register annually with NOAA Fisheries Service by providing identification, address and telephone contact information (and vessel information for for-hire vessels) via a mechanism to be implemented through the FIS national one-stop permitting system.
Anglers and for-hire vessel operators would be exempt from the requirement to register annually if they held a license issued by, or were registered by, a state which had been designated as having been granted Exempted State status as described below.
Anglers under the age of 16 would be exempt from the mandatory registration requirement, although they could register voluntarily, at no cost. The fee for registering would be waived for non-commercial fishing by indigenous people, but the requirement to register would not be waived.
The requirement would become effective January 1, 2009, at no cost. Effective January 1, 2011, a fee would be assessed commensurate with current federal HMS permit fees.
II. The rule would also establish the procedures and guidelines by which states may be designated as holding Exempted State status. A state would apply for designation by submitting a proposal that addresses the requirements as noted below. A Memorandum of Agreement between NOAA and each state would be executed to establish the terms of designation.
States would be eligible to be designated as Exempted States in two ways (a “Hybrid Approach”): (1) by submitting state angler and for-hire vessel license holder data to NOAA for inclusion in a national or regional registry data base (dependent on final MRIP design); or (2) by participating in regional surveys of recreational catch and effort and making the resultant data available to NOAA.
III. Requirements for Exempted State status designation based on submission of state license holder data:
A state would need to annually submit to NOAA, in a format to be determined, a listing of all persons and for-hire vessels and for-hire vessel operators, including name, address and contact information (telephone contact number), who are licensed to fish, or who are registered as fishing, in all tidal waters of the state and for anadromous fish in all waters of the state in which anadromous fish run to the ocean.
State license frames which exclude anglers exempted from state licensing in the following categories would be accepted for Exempted State status (current states that include these exemptions are indicated):
1. Youth < age 14-16: all states
2. Seniors (accepted for two years—see below): DE, VA, TX, LA, MS, AL, FL
3. Customers on licensed for-hire vessels: DE, MD, VA, NC, FL, SC
4. Customers on licensed fishing piers: AL, FL, VA, NC, SC
5. Active-duty military while on furlough: DE, FL, SC
6. Disabled and/or disabled Veteran: DE, MD, VA, NC, MS, FL
State license frames which exclude anglers exempted from state licensing in the following categories would not be accepted for Exempted State status:
1. Fishing on licensed private vessel: DE, MD, VA, FL
2. Fishing on privately-owned shore: VA
3. Fishing on a public pier: CA, SC
4. Shore fishing: SC, FL
5. Waters not included in license requirement: MD
6. Licensed beach buggy occupant: DE
To retain Exempted State status, states would need to commit to certain enhancements to their submitted angler identification data as follows:
1. Senior exemptions: provide identification and contact information for exempted seniors;
2. Lifetime and multi-year licenses: refresh address and contact information periodically, probably annually;
3. Combination licenses: earmark license holders who intend to fish in salt water, or who did so in the prior year.
In order to retain their Exempted State status, states would need to put the administrative and/or regulatory mechanisms in place to achieve these three enhancement benchmarks by Jan. 1, 2011, and begin to deliver the enhanced data in that year. A second performance benchmark will be established to specify the proportion of the three categories of data to be captured by a specified date.
Exceptions to the foregoing requirements would be limited to including a provision that would confer Exempted State status on a state which demonstrates statistically that a given category of exempted anglers does not result in a biased effort estimate. The Team believes that state license exemptions or exceptions to achieving benchmarks that involve a proportion of anglers and angler effort that is sufficiently small as to have no significant influence on the effort estimates can be accepted.
IV. Requirements for Exempted State status designation based on submission of recreational survey data:
1. State survey data would be part of a Regional survey. Define the regions as: Western Pacific: Alaska; Pacific (i.e. Pacific RecFIN); Gulf (i.e. RecFIN SA); Caribbean; Atlantic (i.e. ACCSP).
2. Surveys would utilize angler registry frames.
3. Surveys would be approved by NMFS as meeting national survey design and data collection standards.
What the hell is this all about? Is this how the Feds intend to monitor the catch? Are they using conservation as a smokescreen to keep closer track of more of the citizenry?
If this continues it will be as much trouble to go fishing as it is to go hunting or shooting.
We're from the government. We're here to help you...
Anybody know of any Militia's out there? Im ready to join. Im sick and tired of the damn government pointing their guns at me demanding money and personal information. This is not Freedom. This is just another type of slavery.
One thing is certain. They have to figure out a way to improve figuring out what we caught. The current system is simply broken. It simply does not reach enough anglers to draw any conclusions. They only way to increase the accuracy is to increase the sampling size. This means talking to us, the angler. We will always have the poachers who will never be honest about their catches and I may be naive, but I think the poachers are in the minority (less than 5%). So if they can somehow reach more of us honest anglers regarding our catches, then hopefully the accuracy of the estimates of total catch for the state of Virginia will improve. Only then will conservation measures (limits and seasons) be based on something realistic vice the grossly inaccurate swag we have now. The Govt already has your personal information the moment you applied for a fishing license. They will never be able to force you to participate in any survey so I don't see this as the Govt taking away our freedoms. Any survey sampling they create will have to be voluntary. I'm not sure if this National registry is the answer but it sounds better than what we have.