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    i was reading saturdays Gazette paper (page A-2) this morning with a cup of coffee, and again read about yet another big "50 MILLION GALLON SEWAGE SPILL" into the Patapsco. Trully sad & disturbing, and that baltimore county will only pay a fine of $15,000.00 for any spills over 1 million gallons, seams easy going to me, any way what botherd me even more was reading further down to the bottom of same page is another article about some fines handed out to a homeowner & a tree company for illegal triming some trees on south river. in a nut shell the tree company was fined $10,000.00 for illegal trim triming & the Homeowner had to spend $14,000.00 to replant trees) "THATS $24,000.00 TOTAL FOR TRIMING SOME TREES" but only "$15,000.00 for a 50 MILLION GALLON SEWAGE SPILL" WTF, i am not saying cuting trees illegaly is ok but this seams a little ass backwards to me, just thought i would share my frustrations.

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    See, the problem is, to upgrade the sewer and stormwater systems, you would either have to raise the money through taxes and/or user fees. Now we've learned over the last 20 years or so that taxes are the root of all evil in the universe, and society as a whole would blossom and grow into a paradise for all if we could only eliminate taxes, so the odds of getting folks to pony up for improvement to the municipal systems is slim to none. We'd rather swim in poop than fix the sewer systems. It's easier for the politicians to go after a few scapegoats than actually impose a clear path for collected revenue to be applied to infrastructure improvements.
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    Ding, ding, ding- we have a winner!

    Quote Originally Posted by hackeyfly View Post
    See, the problem is, to upgrade the sewer and stormwater systems, you would either have to raise the money through taxes and/or user fees. Now we've learned over the last 20 years or so that taxes are the root of all evil in the universe, and society as a whole would blossom and grow into a paradise for all if we could only eliminate taxes, so the odds of getting folks to pony up for improvement to the municipal systems is slim to none. We'd rather swim in poop than fix the sewer systems. It's easier for the politicians to go after a few scapegoats than actually impose a clear path for collected revenue to be applied to infrastructure improvements.
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    Ahhhhhhh ........... no worries .......... they're just stockin Back River Brown Trout for opening day ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by hackeyfly View Post
    See, the problem is, to upgrade the sewer and stormwater systems, you would either have to raise the money through taxes and/or user fees. Now we've learned over the last 20 years or so that taxes are the root of all evil in the universe, and society as a whole would blossom and grow into a paradise for all if we could only eliminate taxes, so the odds of getting folks to pony up for improvement to the municipal systems is slim to none. We'd rather swim in poop than fix the sewer systems. It's easier for the politicians to go after a few scapegoats than actually impose a clear path for collected revenue to be applied to infrastructure improvements.
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    Pat; I respectfully want to offer a different view. It's not that they would have to raise taxes or fees; it's the fact that they already raised the money through taxes and fees but pissed the money away on other "pet" projects that they considered more important. It's no different than them saying they need to raise the bridge tolls in order to repair or paint the bridge, while all the while they have raised enough money through tolls to build the darn thing several times over. It's a matter of using the tax or fee for what it was destined to accomplish.
    If they hadn't misused the money we already gave them, the pipes could have been replaced and this should not have happened. Stop dumping everything into the general fund, and use the money appropriately.
    If I had the authority, I would escort Martin O'Malley and Stephanie Rollins Blake out of their offices in handcuffs while inviting all the media coverage possible. I know they wouldn't spend one minute in jail, but the publicity would make headlines nationwide.
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    well said, you know this spill makes it nearly 100 million gallons of sewage into our waters we love to fish, crab, etc. since last august
    to read the 'poop spill' clip you can go to; tpratt@capgaznews.com
    for the Tree triming clip go to; pwood@capgaznews.com

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    This issue has infuriated me for years. Sewage leaks in the Patapsco are treated so dismissively by the media as well as the state and county regulators that I cannot forsee a solution anywhere on the horizon. I often wonder if there would be public outrage if the shores of the Patapsco were more residential in nature. Politicians really have no incentive to get involved in this issue because most of the Patapsco flows through State Park and industrial land. If the Patapsco were one of the more over-developed, residential tributaries around Annapolis there would be tax paying constituents raising hell and bringing attention to the issue. As it stands, big industry on the river will not push for change as they live in a glass house with respect to the toll that they also exact upon the river. If the state parks folks have been trying to do anything about this I certainly haven't heard about it. Blue Plains facility on the Potomac is a shining example of what needs to happen to reverse this trend. Taking it one step further, Baltimore City should try to fix their arcane, failing water treatment infastructure instead of wasting resources repaving streets for a stupid Indy car race.

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    Not to sound like a broken record but how did NYC fix the Hudson and East Rivers? These rivers now have a spawning fisherie that resides there. The water is clean and people eat the fish they catch. No mention of this disease that causes the open sores on stripers. Just how did they do it? Where did they get the money? They did get the politicans involved though. See in NYC if the elected officials don't do want the people want, the people vote them out of office and in a hurry too! Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt. Rubber Hooks View Post
    This issue has infuriated me for years. Sewage leaks in the Patapsco are treated so dismissively by the media as well as the state and county regulators that I cannot forsee a solution anywhere on the horizon. I often wonder if there would be public outrage if the shores of the Patapsco were more residential in nature. Politicians really have no incentive to get involved in this issue because most of the Patapsco flows through State Park and industrial land. If the Patapsco were one of the more over-developed, residential tributaries around Annapolis there would be tax paying constituents raising hell and bringing attention to the issue. As it stands, big industry on the river will not push for change as they live in a glass house with respect to the toll that they also exact upon the river. If the state parks folks have been trying to do anything about this I certainly haven't heard about it. Blue Plains facility on the Potomac is a shining example of what needs to happen to reverse this trend. Taking it one step further, Baltimore City should try to fix their arcane, failing water treatment infastructure instead of wasting resources repaving streets for a stupid Indy car race.
    This stuff has been going on for decades, and continues annually...all for lack of a backup power source, common sense and simply giving a damn.

    They used the financial hardship story back then too when we were flush (no pun intended) with $$. I was an activist re this stuff back in the 70's (40 years ago!!!) in high school/college with Save Our Streams on other Baltimore area rivers like the Big and Little Gunpowder. Back then it was maintenance at the Perry Hall pumping station requiring shutting down the pumps and the plan was to divert (purposeful spill) millions of gallons of raw sewage into the Big Gunpowder. I contacted then Congressman Clarence Long and guess what...a solution was found quickly.

    The attitude is likely that Patapsco River is an urban, industrialized, and ugly landfilled crap river to start with, chits been flowing into it for centuries so whats a bit more. Ho hum...another day another 100 million gallons of chit. All in a days work; push a button; throw a lever. To the neighbors, albiet lower middle class +/- this is the way of life so no one complains. If this happened regularly in an upscale area, or where someone gave a damn. the problem would be solved toot-sweet. Like Perry Hall.

    How much $$$ was spent, to MUCH fanfare by the Md/National organizations and agencies, to remove the upriver dams to allow migratory fish passage? I see little sense in replacing a physical upriver barrier with a down river toxic and biological one. Talk about $$ wasted, when migratory fish must pass through a ch*t gauntlet or bypass the feeder river entirely. It simply comes down to one of those WTF moments, where the failings of one small link adversely affect a much larger regional and national chain.
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    Saw in paper - DNR has closed some of the Patapsco river to shellfish harvest - due to that spill.

    Sad part - read that the pipe that burst was inspected recently and deemed serviceable. That is scary.

    There is now a bypass in place - perhaps the pipes will be replaced before bypass is removed.
    What could be more mundane than dying of old age or of natural causes when there is death by misadventure to be pursued ? Skip

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