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\r\n i was reading saturdays Gazette paper (page A-2) this morning with a cup of coffee, and again read about yet another big "50 MILLION GALLON SEWAGE SPILL" into the Patapsco. Trully sad & disturbing, and that baltimore county will only pay a fine of $15,000.00 for any spills over 1 million gallons, seams easy going to me, any way what botherd me even more was reading further down to the bottom of same page is another article about some fines handed out to a homeowner & a tree company for illegal triming some trees on south river. in a nut shell the tree company was fined $10,000.00 for illegal trim triming & the Homeowner had to spend $14,000.00 to replant trees) "THATS $24,000.00 TOTAL FOR TRIMING SOME TREES" but only "$15,000.00 for a 50 MILLION GALLON SEWAGE SPILL" WTF, i am not saying cuting trees illegaly is ok but this seams a little ass backwards to me, just thought i would share my frustrations.\r\n
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    \r\n See, the problem is, to upgrade the sewer and stormwater systems, you would either have to raise the money through taxes and/or user fees. Now we\'ve learned over the last 20 years or so that taxes are the root of all evil in the universe, and society as a whole would blossom and grow into a paradise for all if we could only eliminate taxes, so the odds of getting folks to pony up for improvement to the municipal systems is slim to none. We\'d rather swim in poop than fix the sewer systems. It\'s easier for the politicians to go after a few scapegoats than actually impose a clear path for collected revenue to be applied to infrastructure improvements.
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    \r\n Quote Originally Posted by hackeyfly\r\n View Post\r\n
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    See, the problem is, to upgrade the sewer and stormwater systems, you would either have to raise the money through taxes and/or user fees. Now we\'ve learned over the last 20 years or so that taxes are the root of all evil in the universe, and society as a whole would blossom and grow into a paradise for all if we could only eliminate taxes, so the odds of getting folks to pony up for improvement to the municipal systems is slim to none. We\'d rather swim in poop than fix the sewer systems. It\'s easier for the politicians to go after a few scapegoats than actually impose a clear path for collected revenue to be applied to infrastructure improvements.
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    \r\n Quote Originally Posted by hackeyfly\r\n View Post\r\n
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    See, the problem is, to upgrade the sewer and stormwater systems, you would either have to raise the money through taxes and/or user fees. Now we\'ve learned over the last 20 years or so that taxes are the root of all evil in the universe, and society as a whole would blossom and grow into a paradise for all if we could only eliminate taxes, so the odds of getting folks to pony up for improvement to the municipal systems is slim to none. We\'d rather swim in poop than fix the sewer systems. It\'s easier for the politicians to go after a few scapegoats than actually impose a clear path for collected revenue to be applied to infrastructure improvements.
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    Pat; I respectfully want to offer a different view. It\'s not that they would have to raise taxes or fees; it\'s the fact that they already raised the money through taxes and fees but pissed the money away on other "pet" projects that they considered more important. It\'s no different than them saying they need to raise the bridge tolls in order to repair or paint the bridge, while all the while they have raised enough money through tolls to build the darn thing several times over. It\'s a matter of using the tax or fee for what it was destined to accomplish.
    \r\nIf they hadn\'t misused the money we already gave them, the pipes could have been replaced and this should not have happened. Stop dumping everything into the general fund, and use the money appropriately.
    \r\nIf I had the authority, I would escort Martin O\'Malley and Stephanie Rollins Blake out of their offices in handcuffs while inviting all the media coverage possible. I know they wouldn\'t spend one minute in jail, but the publicity would make headlines nationwide.
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    \r\n well said, you know this spill makes it nearly 100 million gallons of sewage into our waters we love to fish, crab, etc. since last august
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    \r\n This issue has infuriated me for years. Sewage leaks in the Patapsco are treated so dismissively by the media as well as the state and county regulators that I cannot forsee a solution anywhere on the horizon. I often wonder if there would be public outrage if the shores of the Patapsco were more residential in nature. Politicians really have no incentive to get involved in this issue because most of the Patapsco flows through State Park and industrial land. If the Patapsco were one of the more over-developed, residential tributaries around Annapolis there would be tax paying constituents raising hell and bringing attention to the issue. As it stands, big industry on the river will not push for change as they live in a glass house with respect to the toll that they also exact upon the river. If the state parks folks have been trying to do anything about this I certainly haven\'t heard about it. Blue Plains facility on the Potomac is a shining example of what needs to happen to reverse this trend. Taking it one step further, Baltimore City should try to fix their arcane, failing water treatment infastructure instead of wasting resources repaving streets for a stupid Indy car race.\r\n
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    \r\n Not to sound like a broken record but how did NYC fix the Hudson and East Rivers? These rivers now have a spawning fisherie that resides there. The water is clean and people eat the fish they catch. No mention of this disease that causes the open sores on stripers. Just how did they do it? Where did they get the money? They did get the politicans involved though. See in NYC if the elected officials don\'t do want the people want, the people vote them out of office and in a hurry too! Bob\r\n
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    This issue has infuriated me for years. Sewage leaks in the Patapsco are treated so dismissively by the media as well as the state and county regulators that I cannot forsee a solution anywhere on the horizon. I often wonder if there would be public outrage if the shores of the Patapsco were more residential in nature. Politicians really have no incentive to get involved in this issue because most of the Patapsco flows through State Park and industrial land. If the Patapsco were one of the more over-developed, residential tributaries around Annapolis there would be tax paying constituents raising hell and bringing attention to the issue. As it stands, big industry on the river will not push for change as they live in a glass house with respect to the toll that they also exact upon the river. If the state parks folks have been trying to do anything about this I certainly haven\'t heard about it. Blue Plains facility on the Potomac is a shining example of what needs to happen to reverse this trend. Taking it one step further, Baltimore City should try to fix their arcane, failing water treatment infastructure instead of wasting resources repaving streets for a stupid Indy car race.
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    This stuff has been going on for decades, and continues annually...all for lack of a backup power source, common sense and simply giving a damn.
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    \r\nThey used the financial hardship story back then too when we were flush (no pun intended) with $$. I was an activist re this stuff back in the 70\'s (40 years ago!!!) in high school/college with Save Our Streams on other Baltimore area rivers like the Big and Little Gunpowder. Back then it was maintenance at the Perry Hall pumping station requiring shutting down the pumps and the plan was to divert (purposeful spill) millions of gallons of raw sewage into the Big Gunpowder. I contacted then Congressman Clarence Long and guess what...a solution was found quickly.
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    \r\nThe attitude is likely that Patapsco River is an urban, industrialized, and ugly landfilled crap river to start with, chits been flowing into it for centuries so whats a bit more. Ho hum...another day another 100 million gallons of chit. All in a days work; push a button; throw a lever. To the neighbors, albiet lower middle class +/- this is the way of life so no one complains. If this happened regularly in an upscale area, or where someone gave a damn. the problem would be solved toot-sweet. Like Perry Hall.
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    \r\nHow much $$$ was spent, to MUCH fanfare by the Md/National organizations and agencies, to remove the upriver dams to allow migratory fish passage? I see little sense in replacing a physical upriver barrier with a down river toxic and biological one. Talk about $$ wasted, when migratory fish must pass through a ch*t gauntlet or bypass the feeder river entirely. It simply comes down to one of those WTF moments, where the failings of one small link adversely affect a much larger regional and national chain.\r\n
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    \r\nA fee should be attached to all that whole grain and veggie-this and that foo-foo food being pushed by do gooders and the proceeds go towards waste treatment upgrades. The heck with a flush tax...that\'s just the end result; hit the big pockets on top of the food chain where the digestive tract starts.\r\n
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    \n Algae bloom follows latest Patapsco sewage spill PAMELA WOOD Staff Writer CapitalGazette.com | 0 comments
    \n First came the sewage, now comes the algae bloom.
    \n The Patapsco River is seeing a large bloom of prorocentrum minimum algae, likely due to a massive sewage spill one month ago.
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    \n About 17 millions of untreated sewage flowed into the river per day for several days after a 54-inch pipe burst near the Patapsco Pumping Station in Baltimore County on March 25.
    \n Last week, a monitoring station in Masonville Cove on the Patapsco started recording a spike in chlorophyll readings, said Mark Trice, who helps run the DNR Eyes on the Bay monitoring program.
    \n Chlorophyll indicates the presence of algae in the water.
    \n Tests showed the algae to be prorocentrum minimum, a variety of mahogany tide that can tint the water a reddish-brown color.
    \n It\'s not clear how long the algae bloom will last — it depends on the weather and how many nutrients flow into the river and feed the algae, said Cathy Wazniak, a water quality expert with the DNR.
    \n With so much algae in the water, the dissolved oxygen levels have dropped, meaning there is too little oxygen for fish, crabs and shellfish to live in that area right now.
    \n The Patapsco algae bloom is one of several examples of earlier-than-usual algae blooms across the Chesapeake Bay this spring.
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      Besides the sewage plants being in need of updated equipment, people are eating way too much. Everyone needs to eat 1 1/2 meals a day total (small portions also)and the sh*t problem will be cut on half. LOL

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