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\r\n We ran out to Cape henry this morning for some spanish mac fishing. Just south of CH we came across thousands of dead fish. The smell was awful like they had been floating for a long time. These fish were "dressed" as in no heads and no tails. Ran from CH to second island for some flounder and found them there too!!! I know many will think net boats are at fault but this was different.I have never seen net boats process fish like that. They almost looked like spot. Anyone have an idea where they came from??\r\n
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    \r\n Saw the same thing yesterday at the 3rd and 4th.\r\n
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    \r\n We were out 2 weeks ago and saw the same in the same area looked like menhaden.\r\n
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    \r\n I followed it in yesterday from the second island to almost ft. Monroe, and at the end was 2 net boats, coast guard had one pulled!!!
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    \r\n these fish were definitely dead as a result from a net. Headless fish is the first sign...gills get caught in the nets and the head rips off. The ENTIRE lower bay was covered in them. We covered 65 miles while sight casting for cobia and they were almost everywhere. Interesting side note, we did not see any Cobia in or around the dead menhaden. All fish were piled into small areas of tide lines that didn\'t have dead menhaden. Also saw countless dead bull reds mixed in up the bay...It was the biggest natural rotten chum slick ive ever seen.\r\n
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    Please send all pics and videos to Lee Tolliver. I have been talking with him about this.\r\n
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      Exclamation Thousands of dead fish

      We ran out to Cape henry this morning for some spanish mac fishing. Just south of CH we came across thousands of dead fish. The smell was awful like they had been floating for a long time. These fish were "dressed" as in no heads and no tails. Ran from CH to second island for some flounder and found them there too!!! I know many will think net boats are at fault but this was different.I have never seen net boats process fish like that. They almost looked like spot. Anyone have an idea where they came from??

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