No offense taken Skip!!! I learn as much from posting my own threads as I do from reading and replying to others. I am quite new at offshore fishing and I guess the basics still apply like changing out the baits. The day we were out there nobody got bit basically all day and I guess we/I got a little discouraged/lazy!!! Every time I'm on the water I get a little better. I firmly believe that the days you get skunked are the days you learn the most and I learned a lot here!!!