??roller guides or regular?

[Sea_Slueth]

Here's another question I am pondering.

What is the benifit of a roller on the tip of the rod?

None of my rods (Penn Mariner Stand-ups) have them.

Nor, have I had any problems with them.

I need to pick up two more rods and will probably put Penn 50TW's on them.

I was looking at the mariner stand ups again, but also noticed some other Penn's (model name forgotten) that were sustantially more expensive.

MAriner was $79, the others were 170ish and had rollers.

What gives?

I plan in spooling my reels with Power pro and top shot mono.

[pete330]

get the biggest roller guides possible, the best are aftco big foot windon guides, theyll cost u a pretty penny but they allow u the option to use windon leaders plus your swivels and line will last much longer than with ring guides, its all about preference

[pursuit_2150]

To answer just the question you are pondering - There is no benefit of just a tip roller and the rest being ring guides. A lot of Mfg's put a roller stripper guide and a roller tip and rings in between. This is just a marketing ploy. Either all ring or all roller is the way to go.
Now for rod building 101. The ring/roller choice has to do with line forces and blank loading. Rings will handle the forces of 30 to 50 lb rods. Rollers are needed to handle forces on 50 to 130lb rods. There is a overlap region at 50lb where either will do. A lot of people use rings with braid because it's small dia. can become pinched between the rollers and frame. Braid can also grove a Aluminum Oxide rings so SiC (Silicon Carbide) rings might want to be considered.
The rollers cost me $110 on this Planer rod. SiC would cost about $70 and AlO2 would cost about $30. I'm running cable on an 80Lb blank so I chose rollers. What size braid were you thinking of for a 50W?

#52 Big Foot wind-on stripper guide

[Sea_Slueth]

I was figuring I would use at least 80 pound PP on my 50's in the event I increased the drag from 50 to 80.

The problem with using 80 is that it is equal to using 18 pound test. That would be a hell of a lot of line on a 50TW.


That said, the more I think of it, I need to use either the 100 or 130 pound PP.

Now that gets into a little overkill as my topshot will only be 80 pounds max. Here is the breakdown for the PP to Mono.

65 # PP = 16 mono
80 #PP = 18
100 #PP = 20
150 #PP = 30

[pursuit_2150]

My rule of thumb; and alot of people jump on my post about it, but I got it from Saltwater Sportman Mag. is not to use anything less than 130 braid because of the diameter. It can cut you badly or hang in the rollers in the small dia.
Here is a good site on topshoting and wind-ons
http://www.ifish42na.com/
Get the hollow core Jerry Brown spectra and 200 Yrd of 80 mono and you'll have a monster killer.

[nfo2na]

Man, this board rocks...Sea Sleuth you must have been reading my mind cuz I was wonder the same thing regarding the benefit of the rollers.

Pursuit...I too have heard the caution regarding the use of anything less than 130# braid, but for the life of me, I can't think when you would ever get into a situation where you are manipulating it under tension. Most use a substantial amount of mono (> 100 yds) as a topshot so realistically you would be dealing with the mono when it was time to put your hands anywhere near the stuff, right?. I am in no way knocking your post, just asking if there is a situation that I am not thinking of when you are handling the braid.

Now with all that said, I plan on spooling my 4/02 EXWs with either 80# PP or 65# Izorline and then topshotting it with 50# mono. On my 50 EXWs I intend to use the 135# hollowcore, topshotted with 80# mono, primarily to use the "chinese finger trap" method of topshotting.

Junior

Semper Fi

Expect lower at the end of this transmission.
-ORD ATC

[pursuit_2150]

Maybe not you, but a unsuspecting newbie grabs it while on your boat.
Well the other reason for large dia. braid is the tendency of small dia. braid under high load to "bite" into the wraps or turns on the spool. It will get dug in there and actually make a pop when its comming off the spool under tension. When you first fill the spool you should wind it under alot of tension on a machine to prevent the "Bite".

[Tuna Hound]

As mentioned SIC guides are great for running braided type lines, but there are other advantages with all ring guides. I've pretty much gone to all spro swivels and my leaders are 25-30ft of 80lb fluorocarbon. The spro swivels eliminate the need for a leader man and with a mixed experienced crew have been able to easily manage multiple landings when the tuna pile on. Just remeber to tip you rod when or if the fish makes a run after you've wound the swivel on to your spool. Aftco big foot or the new aftco wind-on rollers will do the same and have some rods with them. But most production rods have inexpensive rollers (the small rollers) and you won't be able to wind them through. If you go with a cheapy aluminum oxide guide, I understand you will have problems as the stuff will cut a groove in the guide. And this is just my opinion, if you have a penn 50tw loaded with 80lb line, you will have plenty of line unless you are chasing a Giant BFT.

[nfo2na]

Good point about a newbie grabbing the rod....I will have to add that to my safety brief.

Junior

Semper Fi

You got him on TCAS? Great. When you're seven in trail, resume normal speed and call Chicago Center on 120.12
ORD ATC

[Darren]

Aftco wind on roller guides will handle the spro swivels just fine. That's what I have on all my 50 lb plus set ups. I prefer those to the Big Foots because they don't stand off the rod so much.