Hey I have several rods I am using that work great for jigging, but want a couple specifically for this.
Let me know your thoughts and what you are using.
Let me know your thoughts and what you are using.
surfperch1
Shimano
I've talked to several expert Jiggers (from Hatteras), and they say:
Shimano Trevala TVC58XXH, Long Jig Special (80-200 lb) with Diawa Salt. reel.
I have 3 of these rods, 2 with 30's and 1 with a 50, and they work great.
In hind site, I'd get all 50's, because you can put 400 yards of 80 lb braid on 'em, and get down 600-700 feet for tile fish and grouper too. The 30's hold about 250 yards.
Greg at The Bait Shack in P-Town carries the rods and reels.
Evidently, you want to use a rod that has a certain stiffness, in order to have the correct lure action coming up through the water column.
Hope this helps.
David - VBC
I've talked to several expert Jiggers (from Hatteras), and they say:
Shimano Trevala TVC58XXH, Long Jig Special (80-200 lb) with Diawa Salt. reel.
I have 3 of these rods, 2 with 30's and 1 with a 50, and they work great.
In hind site, I'd get all 50's, because you can put 400 yards of 80 lb braid on 'em, and get down 600-700 feet for tile fish and grouper too. The 30's hold about 250 yards.
Greg at The Bait Shack in P-Town carries the rods and reels.
Evidently, you want to use a rod that has a certain stiffness, in order to have the correct lure action coming up through the water column.
Hope this helps.
David - VBC
Kevin i was using the cedros speed jig rod 50 to 100 lb matched on 500 saltist worked perfect....whole set up about $250.00 with the backing and 400 lbs of power pro..
Penn Torque Series :
All Penn Torque Jigging Rods are finished with PacBay stainless steel guides with deep-pressed titanium coated inserts for durability against salt water conditions. Triangle-shaped EVA handles are easy to hold and keep the rod from turning over while fighting fish. The EVA handles taper at the butt of the rod and feature flat sides for added comfort when holding the rod under your arm. Conventional rods have aluminum gimbals with EVA covers and sway back trigger reel seats.
Penn Torque Jigging Conventional Rod TJ5010C66
From what I've experienced, the triangle shaped handles make a BIG difference over plain round hadles for ease of fighting fish and comfort no matter what brand you buy. I was also sold on the titanium eyes and their durability.
FYI, these rods were not designed for bottom dropping in the canyons for gouper........ but for jigging in the upper to mid water column range for YF tuna, and they are perfect for such !!!!!
And for only $99 each which is HALF the cost of the Shimano Trevala, it might be the perfect rod to use on charters, as they won't break the bank.
As far as the reels go, check out this info and open the PDF file and see how well it's made compared to other brands.
Penn Torque Reel TRQ300 International
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All Penn Torque Jigging Rods are finished with PacBay stainless steel guides with deep-pressed titanium coated inserts for durability against salt water conditions. Triangle-shaped EVA handles are easy to hold and keep the rod from turning over while fighting fish. The EVA handles taper at the butt of the rod and feature flat sides for added comfort when holding the rod under your arm. Conventional rods have aluminum gimbals with EVA covers and sway back trigger reel seats.
Penn Torque Jigging Conventional Rod TJ5010C66
From what I've experienced, the triangle shaped handles make a BIG difference over plain round hadles for ease of fighting fish and comfort no matter what brand you buy. I was also sold on the titanium eyes and their durability.
FYI, these rods were not designed for bottom dropping in the canyons for gouper........ but for jigging in the upper to mid water column range for YF tuna, and they are perfect for such !!!!!
And for only $99 each which is HALF the cost of the Shimano Trevala, it might be the perfect rod to use on charters, as they won't break the bank.
As far as the reels go, check out this info and open the PDF file and see how well it's made compared to other brands.
Penn Torque Reel TRQ300 International
Kevin, I have been doing a ton of research on these. I have not made my purchase yet like you but some of the things that i have found and heard were conflicting, but to me made sense.
I have heard that the guys fishing on the bottom in deeper water with a lot of line out and those that really like to lock the drag down have been breaking the peen torque rods. these rods might be good for mid water and aj's and blackfins where you don't have to batton down the drag, but for me i want something to fish for deeper water wreckfish and groupers and goldens. so i think i am not going to buy this.
i have heard some similar accounts on the trevala rods, but not sure which models. I think these were designed more for shallower water grouper and mid water applications, but not necessarily for grouper (snoweys with drag locked down) in 400-600' of water. that is a lot of stress on a rod. plus the rod that is xxh is still ratede for less than 270g if i am not mistaken. the highest rated trevala i have seen is a 325g rod.
while i am not a huge okuma fan, i have heard that that is the rod that a lot of people including charters are going to and they area holding up well. I bought for a friend a cedros 300-500g rod yesterday witha saltist 30h and i think i will buy that rod for my torium 16 when it gets back from shimano. these rods are rated to 200# test and they have a 500g-700g rod that i think would be the best match for grouper fishing in deep water with heavy drags locked down. these two models have metal reel seats too and have a metal gimbal on the base with a cover. i think that will be good for running to lock the rod in a holder and if the rod is used for non wreck fishing like for drum or cobia.
as for a specific grouper rod, i am having a custom 500g+ rod acid wrapped made and i am going to couple it with a tyrnos 20II speed reel. I want something that can hold 700yrds of line for fishing in 1000' plus for swords and goldens and heavy lifting a grouper with max drag in 400-600' of water. i need the scope for when we are drifting daytime for swordfish. I am going with the 20 because i can put it in a harness if i get lucky one day and jig a daytime sword, but otherwise i would opt for a tyrnos 16 or 10 two speed for specifically targeting grouper or goldens. a much cheaper option than the torsa and smaller that the 20 and lighter.
as for jigging, i have been looking for a deal on the peen torque 300 on ebay to match with the 300-500g cedros for an additional everyday application. i am also thinking of putting my sustain 5000 on a cederos rod probably a 150-300g for mid water and seabass applications.
casey
I have heard that the guys fishing on the bottom in deeper water with a lot of line out and those that really like to lock the drag down have been breaking the peen torque rods. these rods might be good for mid water and aj's and blackfins where you don't have to batton down the drag, but for me i want something to fish for deeper water wreckfish and groupers and goldens. so i think i am not going to buy this.
i have heard some similar accounts on the trevala rods, but not sure which models. I think these were designed more for shallower water grouper and mid water applications, but not necessarily for grouper (snoweys with drag locked down) in 400-600' of water. that is a lot of stress on a rod. plus the rod that is xxh is still ratede for less than 270g if i am not mistaken. the highest rated trevala i have seen is a 325g rod.
while i am not a huge okuma fan, i have heard that that is the rod that a lot of people including charters are going to and they area holding up well. I bought for a friend a cedros 300-500g rod yesterday witha saltist 30h and i think i will buy that rod for my torium 16 when it gets back from shimano. these rods are rated to 200# test and they have a 500g-700g rod that i think would be the best match for grouper fishing in deep water with heavy drags locked down. these two models have metal reel seats too and have a metal gimbal on the base with a cover. i think that will be good for running to lock the rod in a holder and if the rod is used for non wreck fishing like for drum or cobia.
as for a specific grouper rod, i am having a custom 500g+ rod acid wrapped made and i am going to couple it with a tyrnos 20II speed reel. I want something that can hold 700yrds of line for fishing in 1000' plus for swords and goldens and heavy lifting a grouper with max drag in 400-600' of water. i need the scope for when we are drifting daytime for swordfish. I am going with the 20 because i can put it in a harness if i get lucky one day and jig a daytime sword, but otherwise i would opt for a tyrnos 16 or 10 two speed for specifically targeting grouper or goldens. a much cheaper option than the torsa and smaller that the 20 and lighter.
as for jigging, i have been looking for a deal on the peen torque 300 on ebay to match with the 300-500g cedros for an additional everyday application. i am also thinking of putting my sustain 5000 on a cederos rod probably a 150-300g for mid water and seabass applications.
casey
The Best!
At this point , JM Power Spell are hard to beat ! Seeker has a new blank coming out that is going to be real mean as well. Like fishbarrel said these are higher end rod that cost $$$$$:eek2: For budget minded anglers Dragon fly jig rods are real good along with Hopper Jig rods. If you dont mind spending a little extra , get in touch with Bishops tackle & get a hold of the OTI jigging rods , OTI Is a great rod at a good price! ( Probably the best stock rod out there with , good quality control at the company !!! ) PM me & I'll get you intouch with some friend who jig up BFT up to 170lb's & Big YFT & century mark Aj's. I,m sure they could help you out as well ! The shimanos are good if you stay inshore & dont try to max them out( They will BREAK ) Good luck to ya !!!!
At this point , JM Power Spell are hard to beat ! Seeker has a new blank coming out that is going to be real mean as well. Like fishbarrel said these are higher end rod that cost $$$$$:eek2: For budget minded anglers Dragon fly jig rods are real good along with Hopper Jig rods. If you dont mind spending a little extra , get in touch with Bishops tackle & get a hold of the OTI jigging rods , OTI Is a great rod at a good price! ( Probably the best stock rod out there with , good quality control at the company !!! ) PM me & I'll get you intouch with some friend who jig up BFT up to 170lb's & Big YFT & century mark Aj's. I,m sure they could help you out as well ! The shimanos are good if you stay inshore & dont try to max them out( They will BREAK ) Good luck to ya !!!!
BIGG09 JUST LIKE YOU NOT A HUGE FAN OF OKUMA BUT..I JUST BOUGHT THREE OF CEDROS RODS AND WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THEM USED THEM FOR THE FIRST TIME YESTERDAY THE PERFORMED PERFECTLY..AND FOR $$$$$$$ YOU CAN BEAT THEM THE ONLY ONE DRAW BACK THE NEED TO LOOK AT IS NO GIMBLE FOR FIGHT BELTS THAT SUCKS..!!!!!!!:yes:
tat, the ones i found yesterday in the 300-500 and 500-700g size had ginbles with removable foam caps. i really liked them. really a pretty looking rod. oceans east had them and when i bought the combo from them they gave me a pretty good discount. i walked out the door with the 300-500 gram rod a saltist 30 and 260 yrds of 65# pp and only enough dacron to cover the spool for 294 including tax. i thought that was a pretty fair deal withour shooping around and buying from a local store.
Shimano Trevala, Ben and I have put these things to the test on 400-500lb sharks, goliath Groupers up to 200lbs, 85 lb amberjacks, 98.6 lb Black Drum, Stripers, All kinds of Tuna, Monster Kings, dolphin, Tarpon, Etc. My brother is always trying new rods made by the other companies out there and they dont make the cut.
Rudy Levasseur
Above Average Sportfishing
Rudy Levasseur
Above Average Sportfishing
If your looking for tuna rods for charters I would go with the penn slammer. 40 bucks each. I know they are cheap etc... but for some reason the action this rod has when the right person is jigging on it is deadly very deadly.
I second the triangle handle its a must have for all day jigging.
I second the triangle handle its a must have for all day jigging.
Kevin, as Bigg 09 & Jimmy mentioned, the Cedro's is what I have with Avet HX 2 speed reels which hold 600 yds of 60lb JB braid. They have been put to the test with about as much drag as I dare run & have held up. The guides & seat are all ALPS made in USA & to be honest, I've looked in Mud Hole rod building supply catalog & I couldn't even buy the guides & seat for the price. They are also no hassle guaranteed for life. If you break it they will give you a new one for-ever. That incls even the guides. They cost $100.
As for the triangle EVA grips thing vrs the Cedro's reel seat for reducing rod rotation.
I have used mine some but not as much as the crew members. My take was that to use the Cedro's properly you have to palm the reel & the section of the rod blank that is thin (no EVA foam)goes under your arm. The Alps aluminum reel seat is cut triangular so the effect is the same however like I said, it is held just under the reel more like a bass rod. It worked fine for me but I'm sure the others would work just as good if not better also. I do however doubt you can beat the strength or the e-glass blank for shear pulling power. Some say weight is also a concern but I'm a big enough boy to where I haven't noticed. Really I think it's more about proper technique than strength anyways. Then again I have yet to try a $400-500 like the ones seen on the SF.com jigging board recommend. If I go all the way in the future, my next move will be towards high end spinning gear more like what Tommy Tuna had on my boat yesterday. Now that looks to be the way to go IMO but then again you get what you pay for & none of this stuff is cheap.
Oh I just noticed what Jimmy was saying about not having a butt locking gimbal. Some of the guys also complained of this with my rods but my take would be if you hook a monster, with the HX Avets, they have reel lugs to lock to a back or bucket harnes therefore fixing the problem. For reels without harness lugs, they make a clamp on type that I have read is a must have for the big fights with heavy drag settings. Then again, I just don't know if I would trust all that pressure on say the standard Fuji graphite nylon type reel seat like they use on the Trevala or Torque rods.
I was told some of the jig specific rods are made without gimbals for comfort reasons while jigging all day.????
As for the triangle EVA grips thing vrs the Cedro's reel seat for reducing rod rotation.
I have used mine some but not as much as the crew members. My take was that to use the Cedro's properly you have to palm the reel & the section of the rod blank that is thin (no EVA foam)goes under your arm. The Alps aluminum reel seat is cut triangular so the effect is the same however like I said, it is held just under the reel more like a bass rod. It worked fine for me but I'm sure the others would work just as good if not better also. I do however doubt you can beat the strength or the e-glass blank for shear pulling power. Some say weight is also a concern but I'm a big enough boy to where I haven't noticed. Really I think it's more about proper technique than strength anyways. Then again I have yet to try a $400-500 like the ones seen on the SF.com jigging board recommend. If I go all the way in the future, my next move will be towards high end spinning gear more like what Tommy Tuna had on my boat yesterday. Now that looks to be the way to go IMO but then again you get what you pay for & none of this stuff is cheap.
Oh I just noticed what Jimmy was saying about not having a butt locking gimbal. Some of the guys also complained of this with my rods but my take would be if you hook a monster, with the HX Avets, they have reel lugs to lock to a back or bucket harnes therefore fixing the problem. For reels without harness lugs, they make a clamp on type that I have read is a must have for the big fights with heavy drag settings. Then again, I just don't know if I would trust all that pressure on say the standard Fuji graphite nylon type reel seat like they use on the Trevala or Torque rods.
I was told some of the jig specific rods are made without gimbals for comfort reasons while jigging all day.????
Kevin, after all that, I still don't know which one to choose. Lots of pro's and con's for each and everyone has an opinion. It make the decision even harder to make. I think I am going to save up for the Shimano Stella SW 10000 but no clue on a rod for it yet. I know one thing, before I buy any more toys I have to save first for an EPIRB. My 6500 Baitrunner is going to have to do for now. Good luck on your decision and let me know what you choose and if it is as good as you hope it will be. Martin
Really depends on your budget. Like anything else you can go as fancy and expensive as you can afford and get a setup upwards of a grandskie pretty easy.
Basically you want something with a good parabolic action that will impart a good fluttering action on the jig and wont wear you out after a long day on the water, but something with enough backbone to handle a nice sized AJ or Tuna. Around here a 300-400g should be sufficient depending on the size fish you are targeting.
But for the money I agree with AsianFHB. Head over and talk to John at Bishops bait and tackle and check out the OTI's or getting a custom made. As far as I know he's the only one in VA to carry this line and it will give you the opportunity to put one in your hands and feel a decent jigging rod. John is a step ahead with jigging tackle.
Basically you want something with a good parabolic action that will impart a good fluttering action on the jig and wont wear you out after a long day on the water, but something with enough backbone to handle a nice sized AJ or Tuna. Around here a 300-400g should be sufficient depending on the size fish you are targeting.
But for the money I agree with AsianFHB. Head over and talk to John at Bishops bait and tackle and check out the OTI's or getting a custom made. As far as I know he's the only one in VA to carry this line and it will give you the opportunity to put one in your hands and feel a decent jigging rod. John is a step ahead with jigging tackle.
As the jigging "infection" spreads, you will find one setup will not do everything. What most guys do is go heavy first. I now have "species" matched setups for grey trout to snowys... 20' to 800'. It doesn't stop.
Casey, I have a TRQ300 I am looking to sell... I'll call ya about the Sword's
Casey, I have a TRQ300 I am looking to sell... I'll call ya about the Sword's
Persistance,
I was with Jimmy K. on the TAT-TUNA sat. and bought a new saragosa 8000 for the trip on a Trevala 6-6 med-heavy (TV66MH), it was sweeeeet. It handled everything we caught well. The cost was right at 300.00. I really like the saragosa. I hope this helps.
Jason
I was with Jimmy K. on the TAT-TUNA sat. and bought a new saragosa 8000 for the trip on a Trevala 6-6 med-heavy (TV66MH), it was sweeeeet. It handled everything we caught well. The cost was right at 300.00. I really like the saragosa. I hope this helps.
Jason
steve, i'll talk to you about that reel, but i still don't think it will have the line capacity with 65# braid. might with 50# braid, but i don;t know if i want to go that light. I am not necessarily going for the parabloic action in my super deep applications. but will reconsider on the match for my shallower applications. The reason i am looking at the tyrnos 20 II is because of the harness attachments, but if i could get one of those plates for the bottom of the reel, i may consider the torque 300.
I'll answer the what you asked first and then try and answer what I think you meant to ask.
The best I would say would be the Jig Master Power Spell for conventional and the Wei Worlds for spinning. Both of those are $500 plus rods.
If you want to look in the $100 range I would say take a look at the Daiwa Jigging rods. I'd say they are the lightest and also have more back bone than the Star, Penn, Shimano or Okuma. I'm not a big Shimano fan. I've already busted my F series once and don't think it is really up to the task of any really big fish.
In the $200-$300 range I like the OTI. The 300 gr rod will jig a 20 oz lure no problem. That's what I have my Torsa 30 sitting on. The 600 gr rod is an absolute beast. All high end components with all the bells and whistles rolled up in a really pretty package.
You can always go custom if you can;t find exactly what you are looking for. One thing there though, most rod builders will tell you, you can just barely buy the components to for the cost of these factory rods, so it's going to be about $100 more to get the same or similar set up custom made (the builder has to get paid too). Bishops stocks all these rods we are talking about here if you want to do a side by side comparison of them, which I would recommend. And while you're at it strap on which ever reel you are planning on using and see how the whole set up feels.
The best I would say would be the Jig Master Power Spell for conventional and the Wei Worlds for spinning. Both of those are $500 plus rods.
If you want to look in the $100 range I would say take a look at the Daiwa Jigging rods. I'd say they are the lightest and also have more back bone than the Star, Penn, Shimano or Okuma. I'm not a big Shimano fan. I've already busted my F series once and don't think it is really up to the task of any really big fish.
In the $200-$300 range I like the OTI. The 300 gr rod will jig a 20 oz lure no problem. That's what I have my Torsa 30 sitting on. The 600 gr rod is an absolute beast. All high end components with all the bells and whistles rolled up in a really pretty package.
You can always go custom if you can;t find exactly what you are looking for. One thing there though, most rod builders will tell you, you can just barely buy the components to for the cost of these factory rods, so it's going to be about $100 more to get the same or similar set up custom made (the builder has to get paid too). Bishops stocks all these rods we are talking about here if you want to do a side by side comparison of them, which I would recommend. And while you're at it strap on which ever reel you are planning on using and see how the whole set up feels.
Good advice Darren.......always good to try out the whole set up if you can!
JC......I was just kidding about this weekend...BUT.....I do want one so next time we see each other measure me up!
JC......I was just kidding about this weekend...BUT.....I do want one so next time we see each other measure me up!
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