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    Default Rockfish Declared Overfished - Need Your Input

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    ASMFC has determined Striped Bass are currently overfished and cuts are coming. We all have a say in how these cuts will be implemented. VSSA needs your responses to the poll below to effectively represent Virginia’s angling community. A brief summary of the situation and a brief poll of the potential regulatory options is below. This poll closes on September 18, 2019. The ASMFC public comment period for Striped Bass is currently open. We encourage you to express your views of the potential options by taking the poll, attending the public meetings, writing letters directly to ASMFC, and reaching out to VSSA for other opportunities for involvement.

    The full Public Information Document (PID) on the proposed addendum VI to the Striped Bass Fishery Management Plan can be found here: Striped Bass Addendum 1.

    ASMFC is hosting a series of public comment sessions. The full listing is provided here. The closest for us in Virginia are:

    Virginia Marine Resources Commission September 9, 2019 at 6:30 PM Virginia Marine Resources Commission 380 Fenwick Road, Fort Monroe Hampton, Virginia Contact: Alex Aspinwall or Pat Geer at 757.247.2200

    Potomac River Fisheries Commission September 10, 2019, at 6 PM, 222 Taylor Street Colonial Beach, Virginia Contact: Martin Gary at 804.224.7148

    VSSA will formally respond to ASMFC and wants to represent your views. The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission has a number of proposed management scenarios under consideration to reduce the overfishing of Striped Bass. Please take a moment to respond to these survey questions. There are essentially 4 questions with Sub Options to be answered. Questions 2 and 3 have multiple sub options. Questions 2 and 3 appear to be similar, but they are different to allow a different set of options to be considered for both the recreational and commercial sectors. Both questions should be answered. The questions are as follows. Please fill in the blank with your choice.

    Please click here to select the options your feel are best.

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    VSSA has been informed that VMRC will propose an emergency rule at the VMRC meeting on Tuesday, Aug 27, 2019 to eliminate the take of large rockfish effective for the fall season starting October 4, 2019. This will be discussed at the FMAC meeting Monday, Aug 26 at 6 pm. Unfortunately the FMAC conflicts with the menhaden town forum same date/time. If you have comments you can show up at the VMRC meeting (and/or FMAC) to express your concern. This is a big impact for fishing for trophy rockfish, for charters, and for tournaments but on the other hand our fish are in trouble and action sooner rather than later may be needed. VSSA does not have a position on this subject as we were just informed yesterday. There is a poll running on our Facebook page so please go there to voice your input. https://www.facebook.com/groups/IfishVA/

    Virginia Saltwater Sportfishing Association (VSSA)
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    Overfishing is the last straw in the depletion of rock fish. Poor water quality, lack of food, dead zones, fresh water and entire fishery shifting North supercedes overfishing. It's just easier to say overfishing........ Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by crabby and son View Post
    Overfishing is the last straw in the depletion of rock fish. Poor water quality, lack of food, dead zones, fresh water and entire fishery shifting North supercedes overfishing. It's just easier to say overfishing........ Gary
    The truth. Screw Virginia they're part of the problem. Instead of fixing the problem they blame the anglers.

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    I propose cutting Omega protein and their foreign owned owners out of our water.

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    I actually think it is more a cop out to blame the environmental factors which are much harder to control than the overfishing and won’t be addressed.

    To blame overfishing offers a very simple, but hard to swallow solution and this is why we can’t find productive solutions.

    If the freshwater is part of the problem why are the rockfish moving further north towards it in the bay? Why are there big rockfish stacked by the wall at times at Fort Belvoir half way up the Potomac with less than stellar water quality?

    Is the water quality worse now than in 1985? I don’t think so, but could be wrong. The ban (no fishing or underfishing) seemed to do a pretty good job as I remember.

    The current state of the population is one many of us have been commenting on for 10 years now and have watched a steady decline. To the point, that in 2017 the SSB biomass was declared below target thresholds and we are trying to fix the problem by catch and release mortality!!

    WTF does that do to protect the breeders? NOTHING! see the problem??? That’s not water, or omega or anything else. It’s called overfishing.

    If it was as simple as environmental factors in the bay, then the fish would just move to areas with better water and beyond the limits of Omega. Delaware, New jersey, New England.

    Anybody see world class fisheries there? No. If I am not mistaken, New England states ate calling for major cuts or worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crabby and son View Post
    Overfishing is the last straw in the depletion of rock fish. Poor water quality, lack of food, dead zones, fresh water and entire fishery shifting North supercedes overfishing. It's just easier to say overfishing........ Gary
    Done working beat me to it, you must be blind. Water quality have improved over the years and bass numbers have dropped. Bass crashed before and they were heavily regulated and look what happened. And the entire fishery shifting north????? The majority of bass are still chessie fish and they need to return to their spawning grounds. Their pattern may be different in relation to where and how long they stay somewhere but they still need to return here.

    In regards to menhaden, go look at the menhaden numbers over the last 30 years and overlay with the bass. Menhaden numbers have been LOWER in the past while bass numbers were higher. Omega definitely sucks and has an impact but you can't put all the blame on them and take it off yourself.

    The bay needs to be cut down to a single fish. One fish per person would cut down on the number of people targeting them and would reduce the number of caught and released undersize fish that end up as floaters in the summer. You get to your limit quicker and you don't end up catching as many fish overall to weed through and get TWO.

    The coast needs to be a single fish of 35"+, no slot. A slot will target and wipe out certain classes completely, kind of like what ALL the recs did to the 2011 class in the bay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by done workin View Post
    I actually think it is more a cop out to blame the environmental factors which are much harder to control than the overfishing and won’t be addressed.

    To blame overfishing offers a very simple, but hard to swallow solution and this is why we can’t find productive solutions.

    If the freshwater is part of the problem why are the rockfish moving further north towards it in the bay? Why are there big rockfish stacked by the wall at times at Fort Belvoir half way up the Potomac with less than stellar water quality?

    Is the water quality worse now than in 1985? I don’t think so, but could be wrong. The ban (no fishing or underfishing) seemed to do a pretty good job as I remember.

    The current state of the population is one many of us have been commenting on for 10 years now and have watched a steady decline. To the point, that in 2017 the SSB biomass was declared below target thresholds and we are trying to fix the problem by catch and release mortality!!

    WTF does that do to protect the breeders? NOTHING! see the problem??? That’s not water, or omega or anything else. It’s called overfishing.

    If it was as simple as environmental factors in the bay, then the fish would just move to areas with better water and beyond the limits of Omega. Delaware, New jersey, New England.

    Anybody see world class fisheries there? No. If I am not mistaken, New England states ate calling for major cuts or worse.
    One of the few guys on this forum who accepts what is actually the issue. thank you!

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    Thanks but please don’t misunderstand what I said.

    I do agree there are other issues at hand BUT the most direct cause is the lack of good regulation.

    To say otherwise says says that even if we shut it down completely, forever, that the other issues would prevent a rebound and I can’t believe that.
    Last edited by done workin; 08-26-2019 at 08:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by done workin View Post
    Thanks but please don’t misunderstand what I said.

    I do agree there are other issues at hand BUT the most direct cause is the lack of good regulation.

    To say otherwise says says that even if we shut it sown completely, forever, that the other issues would prevent a rebound and I can’t believe that.
    The environment isnt in the same shape it was 100 years ago for sure but it's no worse than the early 90s when they fully rebounded. They should rebound again with proper management.

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    No livelining, no planers, get back to actually fishing (instead of harvesting) for a couple of years, maybe go to one fish limit but that may not be necessary if we suck it up for a while!! Let’s see how serious we are about a recovery!

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