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\r\n Looks like the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission ( ASMFC ) has adopted option # 4 from Md DNR. Funny - DNR did not offer option # 5 - one fish per angler over 18 inches , no other changes to seasons.
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\nI have many friends that run charter boats - got no bones with them , just like to see the pie sliced up fairly.
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\nOption #4 favors the charter boat owners - but throws recs under the bus tires - IMHO. I foresee a nightmare for NRP ( Natural Resource Police ) not to mention the casual angler. Look at August 15th ( Saturday ) OK to fish but not Sunday the 16th.
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\nHere is how I read the new rules - don\'t hold me to fine print - it is confusing.
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\nApril 1 to April 30th - No catch / release fishing.
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\nMay 1 - May 15th Trophy season opens ( changed from 3rd Saturday in April ) - One Rock over 35 per angler. Everyone.
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\nMay 16 to August 15th - One Rock over 18 for recs - Two rock over 18 if on a charter boat. ( I do not see one over 28 inches ).
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\nAugust 16th to August 31st - Closed for everyone.
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\nSept 1st to Dec 10 - One Rock over 18 for recs - Two rock over 18 if on a charter boat. ( I do not see one over 28 inches ).
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\nDec 11 to April 1 - Looks OK to catch / release - No taking Rock home.\r\n
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    \nI hope you are seriously wrong about no mention of the 1 over 28”. With the SSB below threshold, removing the limit on >28” is suicide for this fishery. Save the breeders in the Spring and kill them in the summer and Fall.
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    \nNot sure if it applies to bay but if I read it right bluefish got cut by 2/3 to 3 per day and we did what for the Rock!?
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    \r\n Thanks, Skip. If your reading of the new rules is correct, then the thing that puzzles me most is the summer closure. Peak water temps usually begin in July and run through the first half of August. After mid-August, temps typically begin cooling slightly due to reduced daylight and sun angle. Since the whole point of a summer closure is to minimize warm water C&R mortality, the timing of this closure seems to have badly missed the mark. It should be something like July7-August 21.\r\n
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    \r\n Just find another species of fish to target. There are white, yellow perch, crappie, catfish, cobia, redfish, black drum and snakeheads............Gary\r\n
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    Just find another species of fish to target. There are white, yellow perch, crappie, catfish, cobia, redfish, black drum and snakeheads............Gary
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    please show me where I have a shot at getting a 40lb fish from shore on plugs other than bass.....targetting another species and letting one continue to get wiped out isn\'t the correct train of thought.\r\n
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    Just find another species of fish to target. There are white, yellow perch, crappie, catfish, cobia, redfish, black drum and snakeheads............Gary
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    .... and bluefish \r\n
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    Just find another species of fish to target. There are white, yellow perch, crappie, catfish, cobia, redfish, black drum and snakeheads............Gary
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    Banded Rudderfish are staging for the spring run...…...\r\n
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    Banded Rudderfish are staging for the spring run...…...
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    It is. The recs still take home the fish. They just get an extra bite to help compensate for the cost of a trip . The captain and mate can\'t harvest any.\r\n
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      Default Looks like bad news - new Rockfish rules

      Looks like the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission ( ASMFC ) has adopted option # 4 from Md DNR. Funny - DNR did not offer option # 5 - one fish per angler over 18 inches , no other changes to seasons.

      I have many friends that run charter boats - got no bones with them , just like to see the pie sliced up fairly.

      Option #4 favors the charter boat owners - but throws recs under the bus tires - IMHO. I foresee a nightmare for NRP ( Natural Resource Police ) not to mention the casual angler. Look at August 15th ( Saturday ) OK to fish but not Sunday the 16th.

      Here is how I read the new rules - don't hold me to fine print - it is confusing.


      April 1 to April 30th - No catch / release fishing.

      May 1 - May 15th Trophy season opens ( changed from 3rd Saturday in April ) - One Rock over 35 per angler. Everyone.

      May 16 to August 15th - One Rock over 18 for recs - Two rock over 18 if on a charter boat. ( I do not see one over 28 inches ).

      August 16th to August 31st - Closed for everyone.

      Sept 1st to Dec 10 - One Rock over 18 for recs - Two rock over 18 if on a charter boat. ( I do not see one over 28 inches ).

      Dec 11 to April 1 - Looks OK to catch / release - No taking Rock home.
      They say that life's a carousel - spinning fast, you've got to ride it well.

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