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"Dec 13, 2005 — WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon has a secret database that indicates the U.S. military may be collecting information on Americans who oppose the Iraq war and may be also monitoring peace demonstrations, NBC reported on Tuesday."

Seems one of the groups they were collecting information on was a Quaker Church.
 

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[Q]wasabi originally wrote:
I would hope so. I've been reporting plenty of anti-American behavior from this board.
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Is war anti-American or is peace anti-American?
 

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Do you really believe their ever was an administration that
didn't collect data on their opponants?

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.....shades of Nixon. Wonder when Bush will use the IRS to go after his enemy list....is this paranoia just a Republican thing?
 

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Shades of Clinton....

[q]Reveal the Truth, Frist and Hastert
Department officials were actively interfering with the probe and even conducting surveillance of Barrett and his office. Worse, there were indications that Team Clinton was using key players at the IRS and Justice to harass, frighten and threaten people who somehow got in the former president's way.

The pattern was set early on, when the White House sicced the FBI on Billy Dale, who had served as the director of the White House Travel Office since the days of John F. Kennedy. They mounted a baseless probe of Dale's finances, while chasing after his daughter, his sister and others. Dale was guilty of holding a job coveted by presidential pal Harry Thomasson. But rather than simply firing Dale, the Clinton White House chose to destroy him.

By all accounts, the 400-page Barrett report is a bombshell, capable possibly of wiping out Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential prospects. At the very least, it would bring to public attention a scandal that would make the Valerie Plame affair vanish into comical insignificance.

Democrats know this. Using provisions in the independent-counsel statute that permit people named in a report to review the allegations against them and file rebuttals, attorneys close to the Clintons have spent the better part of five years reviewing every jot and tittle of the charges arrayed against their clients and friends.

This careful and continuous monitoring of the report explains why Sens. Byron Dorgan, Dick Durbin and John Kerry took the highly unusual step earlier this year of trying to slip into an Iraq-war spending bill an amendment to suppress every word of the Barrett report. (Every other independent counsel finding has been printed in its entirety, with the exception of small sections containing classified material.)

Alert Republicans, pushed by talk-radio listeners and bloggers, managed to short-circuit that effort, but Democrats patiently pursued their goal. They got what they wanted recently, when the House and Senate met to iron out differences in yet another appropriations bill. Democrats inserted language that would prevent public release of the 120 pages of the report listing the Clinton transgressions. They offered what may have looked like a good deal. They promised not to object to letting Barrett continue with any prosecutions already underway.

Republicans negotiators, led by Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., and Rep. Joe Knollenberg, R-Mich, took the bait. They agreed to keep the public in the dark about the important stuff in exchange for a big, fat nothing. Unbeknownst to Bond and Knollenberg, Barrett shut down his grand juries three years ago.

The move represents more than just boneheaded politics. It's grossly irresponsible. If the report contains the kind of bombshells that have been hinted at in reports published by The Wall Street Journal and National Review, among others, the public not only has a right to know, Congress has a duty to investigate.

If Barrett has found evidence that officials at Justice and the IRS served as a praetorian guard, that means some bureaucrats felt it appropriate or beneficial to ignore their duty to the public and instead to perform dirty work for the people who oversee their budgets.

Another big "if": If such behavior were covered up, the malefactors would conclude that they may do the same thing again for other presidents.

Something stinks, and the only way to get at the truth is to release the full report. Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, who fought a lonely battle to ensure the document's publication, is furious. So is House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisc. The question is whether Republican leaders Bill Frist and Denny Hastert will step in and ensure the report's publication, or whether they'll just sigh and look the other way.

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Not to mention the dirt Thomas Jefferson collected on Alexander
Hamilton. It has been SOP since the era of Greek Tyrants.


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[Q]wasabi originally wrote:
I would hope so. I've been reporting plenty of anti-American behavior from this board.
[/Q]You've found someone that actually LISTENS to you?[smile]
 

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LMAO...anyone wishing to compare Nixon and his misuse of power to any other President simply does not grasp the subject matter or only reads that which agrees with a preconceived notion.
 

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Given the choice, I think I'd rather have the FBI keeping tabs on Quaker Churchs (and whomever they may be harboring) than having the IRS eyeing me (ala Clinton).

There are a lot of nut jobs in this country, mostly misguided young people egged on by pinko professors and idle rich boys ashamed of what they inherited. I was a young man during the Viet Nam era and saw the will and purpose of our country diverted and sapped by the same types now trying to do the same thing. I hope the FBI rides them unceasingly and that we end up hanging a few. Would do our country good.
 

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[Q]COAN RANGER originally wrote:
I hope the FBI rides them unceasingly and that we end up hanging a few. Would do our country good.
[/Q]Yup, nothing better for the soul than some good, fresh air and a few healthy hangings.
 

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[Q]captaingeorge originally wrote:
[Q]COAN RANGER originally wrote:
I hope the FBI rides them unceasingly and that we end up hanging a few. Would do our country good.
[/Q]Yup, nothing better for the soul than some good, fresh air and a few healthy hangings.
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It wasn't the FBI but the Pentagon.

We could replace some constitutional rights (like freedom of speech) with freedom to hang people we don't agree with! [wink]

It is sad that the leaders of this country are replacing strong confident leadership with paranoia. [sad]
 

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COAN you might read a bio or two regarding Nixon's desire to use of the IRS against his "enemies list". But then it was a Republican J. Edgar Hoover (see The Director by Ovid Demaris) who trashed individual privacy and maintained his position as head of the FBI by blackmailing Presidents and Congress. For example p. 254.."Nixon authorized a specific wiretapping program....wiretaps were later ordered placed on thirteen government officials, including five of Kissinger's closest aidews on the National Security Council".

Clinton, while guilty of some of this kind of stuff, was a piker compared to the Republicans.
 

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President Johnson (D) had Barry Goldwaters office bugged. Once having heard that Goldwater intended to call a Congressman about an issue, Johnson called him first!
 

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[Q]Fritzer originally wrote:
President Johnson (D) had Barry Goldwaters office bugged. Once having heard that Goldwater intended to call a Congressman about an issue, Johnson called him first!
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We had a family friend that worked in Johnson's office and she said he would screw anything that moved. The fish would stop swimming when he came in. Fortunately, he would take "no" for an answer and did not seem to take it personally when rejected. According to her there were plenty of others (women).
 
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