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My anchor line started out at 150' but after a break-off a few years back, its now somewhere around 100'. I'm getting tired off tying different 100' lenths of rope together while anchoring and want to get either a 250' or 300' line. What diameter do you all recomend for a 23' WA 1/2 or 3/8? Also, some anchor rodes I'm looking at all ready come with the metal thimble braided onto the end.......if I where to bye a lenth of bulk line, how hard is it to braid that metal thimble into the line? Also, what line material is best......nylon, daycron, ect. Thanks!

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The Chain Splice The Eye Splice Today you can buy dock lines and anchor lines with an eye already spliced into one end, but this is more expensive than buying the same line off a spool. It also forces you to buy your line in one of the available lengths. Putting in your own eye splice can be a better option. A splice you put in yourself will be just as strong as one done by a professional rigger, and splicing an eye into three-strand rope is really very easy.

All dock lines should have an eye splice in one end. The dock lines for your home slip should have an eye in the boat end of the line just large enough to fit over the horns of the boat's mooring cleats. For transient dock lines you carry aboard, the eye is in the shore end. This is so you can adjust the lie of the boat from on board. Twelve inches is a good eye size for transient dock lines, making it easy to pull the line through the eye to form a loop.

Anchor lines also require an eye splice, in this case around a metal thimble so the line can be shackled to the chain lead on the anchor. The thimble protects the line from chafe. When the "business end" of an anchor line begins to show the effects of rubbing on the bow chocks and across the bottom, you can extend its life by reversing it end-for-end--yet another reason for knowing how to make an eye splice. A knot is a poor substitute for a proper splice. A bowline, for example, reduces the breaking strength of a line by about 40% while a splice retains 95% of the rope's strength.
Step 1--Tape the ends

Cut rope will have been sealed with a hot knife to prevent the ends from unraveling. To make a splice, you need to unravel a short length of one end, but you do not want the individual strands to unravel. Put a couple of wraps of masking tape around one end of the rope and slice through it with a sharp knife to cut off the melted end. Untape the rope and tightly tape the ends of the three individual strands.
Step 2--Unlay the strands

Pick one strand--it doesn't matter which--and unwind it, making eight revolutions around the other two. Tape the rope tightly just below where this "loose" strand joins the others. Now untwist the other two strands.
Step 3--The first tuck

Form a loop in the rope the size you want the eye. The splice begins at the wrap of tape on the rope, so this marks the closing point of the eye. If you are doing an anchor line, make the loop tightly around the thimble. I generally secure the thimble in position with a wrap of tape on each leg.

With the loop formed and the unlayed end on top of the standing part and pointing away from you, fan the unlayed strands naturally, i.e., with the center strand leading directly away from you, the right strand spread to the right, and the left strand spread to the left.

Commit to memory that the first tuck is always the center strand and you will avoid confusion in the future about the start of splice. Lift a strand on the standing part of the rope at the point where you want the eye to close and tuck the center strand under it. On smaller and/or soft-lay rope you will be able to make the tucks just using your fingers. Large, stiff, or old line may require use of a fid or marlinespike to open the strands in the standing part of the rope.

Pull this first tucked strand all the way through so that the eye is closed, but don't pull so hard that you distort the lay of the line.
Step 4--The second tuck

The second tuck is always the left-hand strand. The strand on the standing part it goes under is the one above the one you just tucked the center strand under. I remember "left-above" to keep me straight. Again, pull all of the loose strands through.
Step 5--The third tuck

This is where you are most likely to go wrong, so be careful.

If the left strand goes under the "above" strand, then the right strand must go under the below strand. The confusion is not which strand, it is which direction. All tucks go right to left. The easy way to avoid doing this wrong is to flip the eye over to tuck the third strand.

Once this third tuck is made, pull on all three strands in turn to snug the closure of the eye evenly.
Step 6--Over and under

The rest is easy. Pick one strand and tuck it under the strand on the standing part that is two above the one it is already under. In other words, each strand goes under one strand, over the next one above it, then under the next above that. Tuck each loose strand in turn, one tuck at a time. Turning the rope counterclockwise about a third of a turn after each tuck will help you keep the sequence and the strands straight.

Give each strand a total of six tucks. Once all of the tucks are completed, place the splice on the floor and roll it back and forth under your foot to smooth it. Then loop the eye over something and put a strain on the line. Cut off the projecting "tails' of the strands and the splice is finished.
Tapering is optional

Some boaters prefer to end the splice with a taper. This is accomplished by cutting out about a third of the yarns in each strand before their final tuck. When the remaining tails are clipped after the final tuck, the result is a splice with a somewhat nicer appearance. Tapering is a strictly cosmetic practice, having no impact on the strength of the splice.
 

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You want to use nylon three strand for an anchor line. That's because it will stretch and cushon the shock.
You should never need more than 10 times the water depth, so figure the deepest water you will ever anchor in and multiply by 10, thats how long it must be.
You could probably get away with 7 times the water depth.
Half inch line is the smallest you should use not so much for strength but to make it easier on the hands.
 

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My anchor line started out at 150' but after a break-off a few years back, its now somewhere around 100'. I'm getting tired off tying different 100' lenths of rope together while anchoring and want to get either a 250' or 300' line. What diameter do you all recomend for a 23' WA 1/2 or 3/8? Also, some anchor rodes I'm looking at all ready come with the metal shackle braided onto the end.......if I where to bye a lenth of bulk line, how hard is it to braid that metal shackle into the line? Also, what line material is best......nylon, daycron, ect. Thanks!

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The splice is relatively easy but does take a bit of practice to make it look nice. If you have a windlass you need to get line sized to the windlass. Personally I would go 1/2 nylon...get a three strand anchor line, not woven....splice it to a length of chain and then the anchor....but what size line broke?
 

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You want to use nylon three strand for an anchor line. That's because it will stretch and cushon the shock.
You should never need more than 10 times the water depth, so figure the deepest water you will ever anchor in and multiply by 10, thats how long it must be.
You could probably get away with 7 times the water depth.
Half inch line is the smallest you should use not so much for strength but to make it easier on the hands.
I really think that a 10.1 ratio is overkill . In normal conditions, a safe minimum anchor scope ratio is 5 to 1 (warp or chain length to depth). (In heavy weather 7 to 1 or more). Depth is the depth of water at high tide, plus the height from water line to the bow roller. Scope is the actual amount of anchor line paid out when the boat is safely anchored. For example, if high water is 20ft deep and your bow roller is 5ft above the water, you need 125ft (i.e. 5 times 20 + 5ft) of scope to anchor.
 

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Not sure where you are fishing but in the bay- you should not need more then 100 feet most days.The trick is to use 15-20 feet of chain and a heavy anchor.The more rode out- the more you will sway and maybe pull off the fish.Your crew might not like humping it up but it will hold well.

I mostly anchor in 15-35 feet and rarely go past the 150 mark on my rode.Most times I can hold with only 75 feet out.This keeps the boat tight over whatever I anchored on :yes:.

1/2 three strand nylon is best.
 

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Not sure where you are fishing but in the bay- you should not need more then 100 feet most days.The trick is to use 15-20 feet of chain and a heavy anchor.The more rode out- the more you will sway and maybe pull off the fish.Your crew might not like humping it up but it will hold well.

I mostly anchor in 15-35 feet and rarely go past the 150 mark on my rode.Most times I can hold with only 75 feet out.This keeps the boat tight over whatever I anchored on :yes:.

1/2 three strand nylon is best.
We're going tog fishing Skip:yes: Gonna be fishing a little deeper this time of year considering the tog are a few miles offshore and a little deeper .
 

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"It's beeen a long time since I've had to pass basic marlinspike....":D
If you are dropping and picking up the anchor by hand, I would suggest you splice a length of 1/2" = to the depth you usually anchor in, 50 ft is a good starting point, to 150-300 ft of 3/8", splicing is easy, see if you can get someone to show you, if not, an illustrated animation would work, as far as the thimble, almost as easy as an eye splice. Also, keep in mind that the line you already have will work, 3 strand nylon is almost indestructable, you can splice pieces together at naseum.
 

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Thanks for the quick responces guys......I have recently started fishing wrecks of of O.C and have anchored on wrecks in the 50-60' depths.......At these depths, I had to often let out 200-250' of rode to get the hook to set but then could run back up on the line, using only 100-150' of rode. Part of this may be do to the fact that I only use 5' of chain......I know, I should increase this. I do intend on hitting wrecks that could be 100-125' and am looking for longer lenth to acomidate these depths. I have found on E-bay, 600' 1/2 line that is almost the same price as a 300' line except no thimble......It sounds like splicing in a thimble is not Rocket-Science. I do intend to keep a shorter rode up in the anchor locker to use when in the bay.

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For the ocean - go with Blue Lou's idea of 3/8 inch.I have 600 feet of that for deep fishing and it works great.

If you hang an anchor- drop me the #'s and I'll retrieve it for you if under 130 feet deep.

We like to anchor with a danforth - then drop a rebar grapple into the wreck (on nice days). This keeps us right over the wreck :yes:.
 

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I would go with 1/2 inch in the bay. The splice is not that difficult first time will take a little long. Once you learn it you can splice your own line in no time. It is even easier with double braid to slpice the thimble in. Go wit nylon will last a long time as long as you rinse and dry it properly.
 

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Mike - I taught marlinspike arts in the service but your explanation of a splice is the simplest I've seen. Now, can you refresh my memory on splicing a monkey fist?
Monkey's Fist

The Monkey's Fist is a heaving line knot and is used to pass lines to shore or vessel to vessel. There are several variations of this knot. The example show here is the regular three-ply Monkey's Fist. The origins of this knot are lost in history and nobody really knows when this knot was first tied. When tying the knot for use aboard vessles it is usual to put a weight in the center. This ensures that the knot is heavy enough to throw a considerable distance.
Normally the line the knot is attched too is a light line which in turn is attached to the hawser the vessel will be moored with.
The monkeys fist is then swung round and round from the foredeck by a sailor, building up as much speed as possible before letting the line go. Once the sailor lets the line go it will travel at a considerable speed towards the wharf or vessel if passing lines at sea. Anybody standing in the vacinity should watch out as the finished knot weighs several pounds and could give you a nasty thump.

In the picture below below you can see how to tie the regular Monkey's Fist as a three-ply knot. It also shows the crossings that occur inside the knot which are invisible from the outside.

Internal crossings regular Monkey's Fist

Internal Crossings of the Monkey's Fist

You will find that the ends of the finished knot are usually spliced together into an eye so that it can easily be attatched to a heaving line. When the Monkey's Fist is not it use the heaving line is put to use for other purposes.

With practice it is possible to tie and finish the monkey's fist in 15 minutes or less. This includes splice and whipping to make an eye.

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1. If you are going to use three ply rope to tie your monkey's fist, either stick a thumb knot or use a couple of rubber bands on the ends so that they don't fray.
2. When using small line I usually spread my fingers wide and slide the first three loops towards my finger tips before starting the second set of three loops. You then have a gap between your fingers, so tuck the line through the gaps in your fingers until you have completed the second set of loops. Work from from the gap at bottom moving upwards.
Step 1. Start by placing a long end under your thumb on your right hand dangling down to the floor.
Step 2. Pull the other end of the line across your palm and down towards your little finger, now loop your chosen material around your hand three times working back towards your thumb.
Step 3. Once you have completed three loops tuck the line through the three loops ensuring it crosses under the line held by your thumb.
Step 4. Now take the line around the outside of the first three loops to complete three loops at right angles to the first three loops. Once you have complete the second set of three loops the end of your line should be facing you on the same side of the knot as the end under your thumb, only next to your finger tips.
Step 5. Now for the third set of loops. Take the end under your thumb and pass it over the outside of the second set of loops you have just formed. Tuck the end through the first set of loops and again around the outside of the second set. Finally complete your loop by tucking it though the first set of loops again, completing the first loop of your third set of loops. Do this until you have three completed three loops. Once this is done you will have a loose ball which when worked tight will form a regular monkey's fist.
If you have made your monkey's fist out of large rope so that you can use it aboard a vessle, you will need to put a weight in the center. A round stone that can be completly encased will do the trick if you don't have a metal ball.
In the animation below you can see how the Monkey's Fist is tied:

For A LARGER IMAGE click on the animation Finishing the knot for practical use:
From the short end protruding from the knot decide how long you want the end to be and tie a bit of string around it snugly and use this as your starting point to work the knot tight. Next start to work the knot tight. You may need to do this several times using a marlin spike. An alternative if you don't have a marlin spike would be a flat bladed screwdriver with no sharp edges. Once your knot has been worked tight you can then finish the knot by splicing the ends together. Once they have been spliced you will need to whip the two strands together to form an eye.
 

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I still have nightmares from the time our Scout troop tied monkey fists.
Picture 17 boys all swinging a 10 foot length of rope with a monkey fist (more/less) on the end :eek::eek:.
 

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Part of this may be do to the fact that I only use 5' of chain......I know, I should increase this.
I did the same as you when I boat my boat. I had a short length of the POS rubber coated chain from Boaters World and couldn't get the anchor to hold in 5' of water. After many frustrating experiences I went to Home Depot and bought 30' of heavy 3/8" galvanized chain and cut it into a 12' and a 18' piece and keep both on the boat for if I need it. WOW!!! What a difference. The first time I used it was down the Chesapeake Light Tower last summer. I was hooked up with maybe 120' of line in 50' of water in seconds (calm day).
 
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