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and you know who you are. The Holier-than-thou Dems have rallied together to pass a non-binding resolution that effectively does nothing to get us out of Iraq. It is just their way of posturing since half of them have decided to run for president. They have the power to cut the funding, which would allow resources for complete withdrawal. Now, for those of you who swear Bush is the anti-Christ for getting us in there, and simultaneously saying you are not Dem/libs, you should be as vocal toward the Dem. party.

For what it is worth, Bush says we are there and going to stay there for reasons regarding terrorists. Agree or disagree, what would be the Dems. excuse now for keeping the troops there? They have as much power as the president to get us out.

Just curious.

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Politics is like a chess game. The Dems, though slimey, are not stupid. They are gonna keep this stink on George as long as possible. While George cries for "give it a chance" the Dems are gonna do just that. Though it's the same chance a snowball has in hell, watching a lame duck try to fly has value. Last ditch effort by the GOP will be a smear campaign against Billary and it will leave the Pubs forever lost... it will probably take 3 more elections but the independents will finally take the place of the Republican party and voting Pub will be considered throwing your vote away.

And as a side note Frank.... using O'Reilly phrases is a step up for you from Rush.... Well done.
 

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Politics is like a chess game. The Dems, though slimey, are not stupid. They are gonna keep this stink on George as long as possible. While George cries for "give it a chance" the Dems are gonna do just that. Though it's the same chance a snowball has in hell, watching a lame duck try to fly has value. Last ditch effort by the GOP will be a smear campaign against Billary and it will leave the Pubs forever lost... it will probably take 3 more elections but the independents will finally take the place of the Republican party and voting Pub will be considered throwing your vote away.

And as a side note Frank.... using O'Reilly phrases is a step up for you from Rush.... Well done.
LOL, I guess it beats being called a feminazzi.
 

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Please explain how this phrase is an insult.

I would think that one would want secular society to be progressive and the religious aspects of society to remain somewhat traditional. We certainly would not want our society to be regressive. I kind-of like indoor plumbing.
For the same reason that liberals run away from the term "liberal". They do not want to be labeled fro what they are, because the population is not buying what they are selling. The term progressive, used by many in the dem. party, is synonymous with Socialist (see 1984-doublespeak). I know BJ, you are going to find 12 references to why it is not, but colloquially, that is the inference. Why are they afraid to admit what they are? I don't know, I freely "admit" to being a conservative, and take my lumps accordingly, even deservedly.
 

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How did "liberal" become an insult? The wrongness of many of their positions was repeatedly pointed out until the word itself became a slur. The "liberals" didn't change their ideas as a result, they changed their name to "progressives"; only a few still use the word liberal proudly.

An amusing story; in the early 60s a street gang in NY (not known for their intellectual prowess, but probably able to watch TV news) skipped such names as "Bloods" and "Crips" and went straight for the blood curdling (in that place and time) "Conservatives".
 

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I would also suggest that the "conservative" base is somewhat less intelligent than those other political points of view. This allows them to lump everyone who is opposed to their way of thinking into the "liberal" category.

This would explain the popularity of wind bags like Rush and Billy O as opposed to the popularity of Al Frinkin and his like. People who are capable of independent thought are less likely to succumb to the word games that are played by the right wing pundits.
 

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I would also suggest that the "conservative" base is somewhat less intelligent than those other political points of view. This allows them to lump everyone who is opposed to their way of thinking into the "liberal" category.

This would explain the popularity of wind bags like Rush and Billy O as opposed to the popularity of Al Frinkin and his like. People who are capable of independent thought are less likely to succumb to the word games that are played by the right wing pundits.
IMHO-liberal talk radio will fail where the TV and press has succeeded because of the instant accountability. Until the internet and talk radio boom, the libs controlled/control the big papers (NY times, etc) and the major media (CBS, etc.). With talk radio, if someone says 1+1=3, you will instantly have 25 phone calls why 1+1=2 and instant audio proof. With TV, there is no feedback and with print, there may be a day or 2 delay in a letter to the editor, which may or may not be printed.

Sure, you can argue that talk-shows can screen calls that do not agree but even there, calls can get through by deceiving the screener.

That is why Air America needed donors to prop up the network until the donors finally realized the above. Advertisers are lined up to spend their money on shows such as Rush, Hannity, etc. Obviously not the case with Air America or NPR for that matter.
 

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As far as conservatives being less intelligent, I would disagree. Everyone knows there is a direct correlation with income and voting. In other words, wealthier people tend to vote rep. and less wealthy dem. No surprises there. However, while the libs. tend to frame that as the rich wanting to get richer as they step on the poor, they are not acknowledging the true correlation between income and education. Remember if A=B and B=C, then A=C? Well, if rich=wealthy and intelligent=wealthy, then.... Maybe only the more intelligent among us can make the connection:D

Let the barrage begin...
 

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I would also suggest that the "conservative" base is somewhat less intelligent than those other political points of view. This allows them to lump everyone who is opposed to their way of thinking into the "liberal" category.

This would explain the popularity of wind bags like Rush and Billy O as opposed to the popularity of Al Frinkin and his like. People who are capable of independent thought are less likely to succumb to the word games that are played by the right wing pundits.
Any evidence for this? Or is it just you're uninformed opinion. Conservatives are, on average, slightly better educated, and slightly wealthier than liberals. I suspect this is probably evidence that on average, they are also slightly more intellegent, but if that were found to be true, it would never be published. Averege intellegence of a large population is rarely indicative of much anyway.

I'm alaway amused at liberals who insist that conservatives are dumb and brainwashed. Without a doubt, unless you are left of Ho Chi Minhs ghost, the dominant media in this country is further left than you are. Over 80% of reporters are registered as democrats. Republicans are few and far between among the media, and many of them fear to make their views known. The major papers of the US (NYT, WAPO, LAT etc) predominantly slant left. Among the major networks, only the newcomer, Fox slants right. The others 3 are objectively farther left than Fox is right (But that doesn't matter, Fox is always targeted by liberals for its "bias"). Can you think of a major magazine that slants right? No, Times, Newsweek, US News all slant left. The US government supports the left wing Public Broadcasting System and National Public Radio. CNN is so far left it literally shrieks.

To be conservative, you have to look past, and through, the leftward bias of the vast majority of the information that is thrust upon you.

Where conservatives do have the upper is talk radio. Why is that? I don't really know, I don't follow it myself, but I suspect that there is a great market for news and entertainment with a rightward stance, closer to that of the more conservative, more rural fraction of the country. They don't get it on TV (except for Fox), and they don't find it in their newspapers and magazines. Any well spoken, amusing person with a conservative slant can gain a pretty good audience on the radio, though, especially as all the "normal" folks drive on their way, and while they work.
 

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I would also suggest that the "conservative" base is somewhat less intelligent than those other political points of view. This allows them to lump everyone who is opposed to their way of thinking into the "liberal" category.

This would explain the popularity of wind bags like Rush and Billy O as opposed to the popularity of Al Frinkin and his like. People who are capable of independent thought are less likely to succumb to the word games that are played by the right wing pundits.
BWAHAHAHAHA!! If that is supposed to be a reasoned, intelligent and thoughtful analysis, then that reveals your dunderheadedness. But, I guess since you are an ordinary Dem, you just can't help it. You can't REALLY expect ANYONE to believe that. Shucks, look at the supporters of the libs - 60s era hippies who have blinders on (no offense meant to HJ), government teachers, welfare kings and queens, dropouts, socialists, commies, child molestors; need I go on?

Be like a conservative and educate yourself with facts, not fanciful wishes. Here is a starting point - do the googling and research it yourself. While this quote is about Dems and Pubs, it is close enough for this "discussion".

Yet Republicans in the general public tend to be better educated than Democrats. In the 1994-2002 General Social Surveys (GSS), Republicans have over 6/10ths of a year more education on average than Democrats. Republicans also have a higher final mean educational degree. Further, Republicans scored better than Democrats on two word tests in the GSS--a short vocabulary test and a modified analogies test.
If one breaks down the data by party affiliation and political orientation, the most highly educated group is conservative Republicans, who also score highest on the vocabulary and analogical reasoning tests. Liberal Democrats score only insignificantly lower than conservative Republicans. The least educated subgroups are moderate and conservative Democrats, who also score at the bottom (or very near the bottom) on vocabulary and analogy tests.
By the way, an elucidation of your sentence: as opposed to the lack of popularity of Al Franken and his ilk.

I don't usually play, but this was too good to pass up. I'm in a playful mood today.
 
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