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[q]BUSH APPROVAL GETS DECEMBER BOUNCE
AS VOTERS PUT CONGRESS ON ICE
AMERICA'S NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION FOR PRESIDENT BUSH: END IRAQ WAR
Diageo/Hotline Poll Conducted by Financial Dynamics
Finds Americans Prioritize Hurricane Katrina Reconstruction Over Iraq War
NEW YORK - December 15, 2005 - President Bush's approval ratings have spiked dramatically over the last month while Congressional approval crashed. Following several recent speeches on Iraq, voters appear to be rallying around the president, with a 10-point jump in his approval since a similar poll in November (from 40% to 50%). Bush's largest gain was among Independents, whose approval jumped by sixteen points. Meanwhile, voters are souring on Congress, disapproving of its job performance by 64% to 26% - a 14-point rise in disapproval since last month. Despite controlling both houses, Republicans also disapprove of Congress by 54% to 38%.
"Bush has gotten a December bounce every year of his presidency, and this is no exception. Holiday cheer brightens the national mood, and this season's scandal-plagued Congress can make the president look better in comparison," said Chuck Todd, Editor-in-Chief of The Hotline.
The Diageo/Hotline Poll of 813 registered voters, conducted by Financial Dynamics on December 12 and 13 with analysis by Ed Reilly (D) and Ed Rollins (R), also found that most Americans think Hurricane Katrina reconstruction is more important than fighting the Iraq War (58% to 28%), although opinions are completely polarized by party identification. The vast majority of Democrats prioritize Katrina reconstruction (79%), while more Republicans prioritize the war (46% prioritize Iraq and 37% Katrina reconstruction). Independents share the Democrats' view, favoring rebuilding Katrina areas (59% to 27%).
Voters may know they don't like Congress, but they don't know its most recent scandals by name. About 71% of voters say they have not heard of Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham; his favorability rating is 2% and his unfavorable rating is 13%. Only 15% of voters have an opinion of Jack Abramoff, with 6% favorable and 9% unfavorable. [/q]

http://diageohotlinepoll.com/DiageoHotlinePoll1205.pdf
 

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I'm just guessing here.... But I'd bet you didn't really read the report , because it is hardly bad news for Democrats. Actually when it comes to the next congressional elections the Dems should be smiling at the news... kinda like this[grin]

Fritz do you have to aim carefully to shoot yourself in the foot or is it instinctive?
 

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[Q]CSLUG originally wrote:
I'm just guessing here.... But I'd bet you didn't really read the report , because it is hardly bad news for Democrats. Actually when it comes to the next congressional elections the Dems should be smiling at the news... kinda like this[grin]

Fritz do you have to aim carefully to shoot yourself in the foot or is it instinctive?
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Wrong, the only thing more unpopular than republicans in congress is the democrats in congress.
 

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Oh then that would explain the 4 point jump in support of Democrat candidates in the next congressional election....

Fritz some day you must realize you are educated beyond your intelligence level. You'll know the day this happens because others will begin to take you seriously.
 

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You know, I don't really believe polls, and a 4 point change with a 3 point standard deviation is not very strong signal, but I wonder why this poll will not receive major media attention as the recent declines did. (OK, I don't really wonder, it's strictly a rhetorical point).
 

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I'm GOP all the way but Busch is an absolute IDIOT! (and please don't send the ss to my house).
This guy is all about money to be made.
What about the border......the country is overcome with ILLEGAL ALIENS! They are in our schools hospitals etc.
GEORGE BUSH.......
how much do you pay for health care?.....look back 10 years ....how much did you pay then? and on that note...how much was gas?

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You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Since health care is not a federal program (Thank God), Bush has no role in the price of health care YOU DO. By buying health care at any cost, you raise the price of health care. Want cheap health insurance? Get a policy with a $10,000 deductable. They're much cheaper than any "standard" policy. You pay for normal health care (somebody will anyway, if not you, your employer, who, in effect deducts it from your pay) and your covered for catastrophic illness, which is what you want insurance for.

Gas? It's gone up somewhat, from about $1.50 a gallon inflation adjusted to a little over 2.00. Still lower than it has been through most of the 20th century; much cheaper than it was back from 1972 to 1987 for example. Yep, the law of supply and demand is still operating. You own a big truck or an SUV? A boat? You're part of the problem. Do you carpool? I do. By carpooling with 4 other people I'm paying the equivalent of about $0.40 cents a gallon for my commute, and lowering the demand on gasoline. How about you?



Illegal immigrant? Again a congressional problem, but the administration is moving more forcefully to restrict illegal immigration.

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Valley to receive dozens more border agents by September
December 11,2005
Cari Hammerstrom
The Monitor

McALLEN - By next September, about five dozen more Border Patrol agents will be patrolling the Rio Grande Valley Sector, which includes nine stations - from Rio Grande City in the west to Corpus Christi in the eastand north from Falfurrias.

The 2006 Appropriations Bill and the 2005 Emergency War Supplemental Act authorized 1,500 Border Patrol agents to be deployed all along the U.S.-Mexico border, and the Department of Homeland Security is adding 200 more agents to account for attrition, bringing the total to 1,700 agents.

However, the sector which encompasses Hidalgo and Starr counties will only receive 3.6 percent of the agent influx.

Mario Villarreal, national Border Patrol spokesman, said the majority of the illegal immigrant traffic is currently concentrated along the Arizona border, and that is why the Rio Grande Valley Sector is receiving a smaller portion of agents.

"The deployment of resources is predicated on the amount of activity we are seeing on the border," Villarreal said.

Agents in the Tucson Sector arrested 438,997 illegal border crossers during fiscal year 2005, which ended Sept. 30, while agents in the Rio Grande Valley Sector arrested 134,185.

Thus, Arizona has been allotted 643 agents while Texas should receive 452.

Slightly more than half of the Texas border enforcers will go solely to two Texas counties in the El Paso Sector - El Paso and Hudspeth.

The El Paso Sector begins in far West Texas, but encompasses all of New Mexico as well.

New Mexico will get 253 agents, but the state only has 1,338 agents currently, according to a report in the El Paso Times.

Surprisingly, the 18,584 square miles of the Rio Grande Valley Sector has more agents than the 121,100 square miles of New Mexico.

"You have to deploy the finite resources you have accordingly," Villarreal said. "This is good news to the receiving sectors, good news to the communities that we will be able to provide better security … The manpower is a critical element."

New agents' boots are already hitting the ground.

"Right now, we have some temporary assignments that are happening in Tucson and Yuma (sectors)," he said, citing a shift in the migration patterns of illegal immigrants. "Tucson is the busiest place in the country … In anticipation of a shift of patterns, we added agents to surrounding sectors."

U.S. Customs and Border Protection has learned that when more agents are deployed in one sector, immigration patterns often shift to another sector, Villarreal said.

The 1,700-man deployment will not happen all at once, but rather will take place during the next year.

"We currently have some trainees at the Border Patrol Academy in Artesia (N.M.)," said Roy Cervantes, spokesman for the Rio Grande Valley Sector. "They are scheduled to complete their training in March."

Cervantes said he did not know to which of the nine stations in the Rio Grande Valley Sector the 62 agents would be assigned.

"That decision will be based on manpower and operational need," he said.

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Bush and the GOP seem to think that 46 million Americans having no health care insurance is ok.... Fritz perhaps you will break out of that warm little egg your mother has stuffed up between her legs before you suffocate. It's a big wonderful world out here... you should see it.
 

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[Q]CSLUG originally wrote:
Bush and the GOP seem to think that 46 million Americans having no health care insurance is ok.... Fritz perhaps you will break out of that warm little egg your mother has stuffed up between her legs before you suffocate. It's a big wonderful world out here... you should see it.
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Of course we don't believe that it's OK, but, and it's a big but, we don't believe that it is the governments responsibility to provide everything to everybody who wants it regardless of cost. People value different things. If I want health insurance, I'll either work for it, or buy it. If I chose not to do either, why should it be given to me at your expense? Can't afford an expensive health care package? Get one with a very high deductable. Try it. Most of the cost of "common" health insurance is just the cost of routine health care. You're paying it one way or another (plus the "benefit" of paying for the people who don't earn it). Pay your own way on the cheap stuff, and save your insurance premiums for the stuff you really need protection from. After all the pretense at being a fiscal conservative, on the big stuff you're just another liberal drone.
 

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Fritz, What's your stance on the refineries setting the wholesale price of gas based on geographical areas ? Is this good for the consumer and/or the refiner ?

Is this price setting or supply and demand ?
 

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Fritz.... your suffocating in that shell between mommas legs.... the 46 million that don't pay for health care are not denied the level of care you and I receive... they just don't have to pay for it....

Tomorrow is Friday... it's going to be cold. Go to your local emergency room around sunset complaining of a splinter under your pinkey nail. You'll wait hours to be seen for the homeless that know, complaining of chest pains gets them a warm bed and food for the night. Who is paying that bill???

Health care is a fixed cost. Total up all the hospital and doctor bills from last year and that's a real number. Now take out all the dead wood at BC/BS offices, insurance salesmen, brokers, resellers, HR depts.... etc and that's the real cost of health care.

I write a check every month for the best healthcare I can afford. I'd bet your entire life someone else has done this for you... another in a long habit of suckling nourishment from others.... Dude when are are you going to grow wings and fly?
 

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[q]Health care is a fixed cost. Total up all the hospital and doctor bills from last year and that's a real number. Now take out all the dead wood at BC/BS offices, insurance salesmen, brokers, resellers, HR depts.... etc and that's the real cost of health care.
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And that is the best BS of the day. Like gasoline, make health care more expensive, and people will buy less of it. Since, as you point out, much of the cost of health care is hidden by the current system of employer pays, people are encouraged to use unnecessarily. Got a cold? Go get antibiotics, even though they don't do ****** for cold and encourage resistant germs. Viagra and breast enlargements are covered by most insurance, so, why not?

As for my own situation, not that it's any of your business, but at both of my recent places of employment, the cost of health insurance is split evenly between the employer and the employee. Moreover, I am keenly aware of the employers half, since that is a major factor in the fringe benefit costs that are a line item in every grant and contract I apply for.

Finally, indeed, some provision needs to be made for the truely poor. I've been in those emergency rooms and seen the lines (but I know if you need attention quickly, you'll get it - I took some one with acid in their eye into emergency and they took them in ASAP - damn good thing too.). One of the prices of "cheap" health care (using emergency for routine illness), is that it costs more time, but that's OK, because the unemployed have it. I don't honestly know a good solution; the disabled who can't work are entitled to Medicare; that seems to me to be a good start. Sticking the emergency centers for the bill seems bad use of the facility.
 

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Fritz as we all are saying...Deja Moo....same old bull.

(CNN) -- A majority would vote for a Democrat over President Bush if an election were held this year, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll released Tuesday.
12/13/05

We have all heard of CNN/USA Today and Gallup. Just who is DiageoHotlinePoll?
 

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[Q]Fritzer originally wrote:
You know, I don't really believe polls, and a 4 point change with a 3 point standard deviation is not very strong signal, but I wonder why this poll will not receive major media attention as the recent declines did. (OK, I don't really wonder, it's strictly a rhetorical point).
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Fritzer begins a thread with a poll from some firm DiageoHotlinePoll. When his results is countered we get Deja Moo "You know, I don't really believe polls..." should read "You know, I don't really believe in polls when they disagree with my point of view....however if some poll somewhere supports my view I will start a thread with the results of that poll".[grin]
 

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[q]What about the border......the country is overcome with ILLEGAL ALIENS! They are in our schools hospitals etc.
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Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX), on why he voted against the successful House resolution calling for a 700-mile, two-layer fence on the Mexico border: "I'm strong on security, but this overdoes it."

How does a security fence "overdo" security?
 

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[Q]Fritzer originally wrote:
You just don't like the facts.
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For once, you're right about me - I don't like the facts.....when they don't agree with the reality of my wallet.
 
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