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I realize that this is off topic, and really belongs on the Conservation Board, but because no one reads that board, I will post it here.

I just heard on NPR that the Chesapeake Bay Foundation, Maryland Watermen's Association, Virginia Watermen's association, and several state and local officials have sent a letter to EPA to inform them that they will be suing to force the EPA to meet its Chesapeake Bay commitments to the cleanup of the Bay.

In the past I have been critical of the MWA, but I just want to offer them and the others kudos for taking this step. Thanks to all
 

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Im all for cleaning up ,but good grief, did the epa make the mess?

I would say the fishing industry and all the state and local governments made this mess, why dont they sue themselves?
 

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I applaud all these groups getting together. I second flanman - the bay has many problems, one if which is pollution, and that comes largely from all the waters flowing into the Bay and that is under the EPA's jurisdiction. I don't mean this in a political way, but the current administration has been making it clear that they considered EPA enforcement of environmental regulations counter to economic growth and thus have not been enforcing them as rigorously as years past in administrations of both parties. I hope it all works.
 

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i would like to see/know what they have done to date. it looks like the bay is doing its self cleaning
On what facts to you base this conclusion? Everything I have seen demonstrates that the Bay is not improving and probably getting worse.
 

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It's about freakin time ........... I know where my donations are going ......... sure hope other organizations on the bandwagon ........... :thumbup::clapping2::clap::thumbup::clapping2::clap::thumbup::clapping2::clap:
 

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Im all for cleaning up ,but good grief, did the epa make the mess?

I would say the fishing industry and all the state and local governments made this mess, why dont they sue themselves?
The suit is to force the EPA to enforce its own laws. I know little about the CWA or environmental law, generally, but what I have gathered over years of talking to various groups, including those in the state and county governments, is that a CWA suit was seen as sort of the nuclear option that nobody wanted to think about. They knew that most of the Chesapeake's waterways are severely impaired yet they continued to allow development (addition of impervious surface, auto pollution and sewage load) at extremely rapid rates, and barely addressed other issues (stormwater, sewage treatment, septics). In other words, they chose to ignore the problem in large measure, allowing it to grow bigger and become more expensive. Good for CBF! While I wish this wasn't necessary, it couldn't wait any longer.

Of course, this suit isn't a magic bullet. It will, at best, just force state and (especially) local government to get their collective heads out of the sand.
 

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I have seen first hand the sweage outflow pipes spewing brown "stuff" out into our bay.

The lawsuit might be good - at least it will highlight some of the problems.
 

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BIG thumbsup for the tree huggers !!!!!!!! :yes::yes::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 

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I think we were all talking about the Chesapeake Bay Foundation the other day. I just got an email from them that they are suing the EPA for trying to delay the clean water clean up act for the Chesapeake another twelve years.

Nice to see them taking a hard stance and really doing something.
Now if they support a moratorium on oyster harvest they will really be batting a good average;-)

More on the story here
 

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Thanks for the votes of confidence, folks. They mean a lot!

As to oysters, Brandon, there's a broad protection/restoration process playing out this fall. Keep a close eye on it, esp. in the MD Oyster Advisory Commission.

Best, JPW
 

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More words and no action...this is all this is. This suit, if it goes anywhere will be tied up in the courts for years...Possibly delaying further any action that might have been taken to help stem the tide of pollution in the bay. The Owe Malley administration has tied the hands of the MD Dept of the Environment and the EPA because "it would be counter productive" to development in the state.

Until Assapolis puts a moratorium on new building inside the bay watershed, pollution run off and erosion will continue to kill the bay. But it's not just that...States like PA, NY, WV and to some extent VA are to blame as well...all have tributaries that feed the bay....they need to clean up their acts too..
 

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Not sure I follow your logic....you criticize those who are working very hard at doing something because it's not enough, while you propose a sollution that is legally impossible. You then single out the current governer while ignoring a series of previous governers who have allowed us to get to this point.

You're right. This may take years. CBF, et al, may lose. That's called risk-taking. In the meantime, let's discuss what we, as individuals, are doing for the Bay. You may start if you wish.
 

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Ah yes....the MWA and VWA treehuggers. Good one!
That was meant as a compliment ........ and yes treehugger ........ you guys think it's a bad thing, but if you think about it ..... they are the ones that have sued to clean up and preserve the environment for the benefit of everyone .......... just like these guys ....... like it or not
 

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That was meant as a compliment ........ and yes treehugger ........ you guys think it's a bad thing, but if you think about it ..... they are the ones that have sued to clean up and preserve the environment for the benefit of everyone .......... just like these guys ....... like it or not
First, be careful who you lump in the "you guys" class. I defy you to find one instance where I have ever said one negative thing about anyone stuck with the treehugger label. Second, I was just pointing out the oxymoronic association of the treehugger moniker with the various commercial fishing associations.

I would go further and even say it was a misnomer for the CBF. The use of that term is almost always negative, just like the various mindless labels many apply to their political opponents.
 

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Bill, you liberal! err....I mean socialist!:D.....and Rhan, you're a pinko and you know it!.:usa::D....plus a Perch hugger. (Pease do not dump a pitcher on my head at the next SRRKC gathering.)

P.S.: What are the firms in this suit?
 

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Not sure I follow your logic....you criticize those who are working very hard at doing something because it's not enough, while you propose a sollution that is legally impossible. You then single out the current governer while ignoring a series of previous governers who have allowed us to get to this point.

You're right. This may take years. CBF, et al, may lose. That's called risk-taking. In the meantime, let's discuss what we, as individuals, are doing for the Bay. You may start if you wish.
Jeff - When I need an attorney, I sure hope you will represent me. Well said. I hate that negative, doomsday, misguided finger-pointing drivel. Jim
 

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Bill, you liberal! err....I mean socialist!:D.....and Rhan, you're a pinko and you know it!.:usa::D....plus a Perch hugger. (Pease do not dump a pitcher on my head at the next SRRKC gathering.)

P.S.: What are the firms in this suit?
Was that directed at the socialist?:rolleyes: If so, I couldn't remember all of the details from the radio news, but the Sun did report it also today. I will no longer say any nice things about lawyers.
 
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