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Dealing with Leftists who "Support the Troops"
By John Robinson

One of the biggest problems we conservatives have always faced is language. Conservatives all too often allow liberals to bamboozle us into arguing issues on liberal terms.

For example: why are we even discussing the "war in Iraq"? What is going on now is not war, but reconstruction. Or more precisely, providing military security for Iraq's social, political and economic reconstruction. The war was clearly over at "Mission Accomplished", and we quickly pulled our major hardware presence from the arena.

So why aren't conservatives pounding liberals for wanting to "walk out on the security necessary for Iraqi reconstruction"? Because too many of us have accepted liberal control of the language.

So when a liberal says to me that (altogether now) "I support the troops, just not the mission", I don't lie to them anymore.

And one particular conversation I recently had with a liberal went like this:

"I support the troops, just not the mission"

"Nice patriotism."

"That's mean!"

"It's the truth."

"You can't question my patriotism!"

"Then stop saying unpatriotic things!"

"Just because I question the President doesn't make me unpatriotic!"

"No... but trying to subvert his constitutional authority and foreign policy just because you disagree, does."

"You make it sound like I'm a traitor."

"How would your behavior be different if you were?"
That usually stops them right there, at least for a moment.

But last Martin Luther King Day, I received a gift of inspiration. I finally found a way to make a liberal understand. I'm not sure if I changed his mind, but he hasn't mentioned it since. This liberal persisted.

"You can support the troops without supporting the mission; I don't want them to die!"

"You can't separate the troops and the mission for your political convenience."

"Of course I can..." he countered.

That's when the little incandescent lightbulb lighted up in my mind.

"Today is Martin Luther King Day" I said, "so lets' take a trip back in time...."
Then I adopted a Southern drawl that sounded like an uneasy mix of Deliverance and Hee Haw... (I've found that liberals always appreciate a little drama, it makes the truth easier for them to swallow. A little Fosse and they'll believe almost anything.)

"You know, buddy," I began, "I like Martin Luther King, I do. I think he's a stand up guy. But this whole Civil Rights for blacks thing, that's gotta go. But I still support Martin. Like I said, he's a great guy. I just don't support his mission at all. In fact, I'm going to go down to the Selma City Council and petition to have his marching permits revoked. Because there's been a lot of violence at these marches he's been doing. Dogs and firehoses, you know. People are dying, can't you see! For what? Equality? Freedom? Who cares about that -- I just don't want Martin or anyone else to get hurt. I support Martin. And because I support Martin, we have to cancel these marches."
He was shocked.

"I can't believe you're such a racist," he said.

"Who's a racist?" I countered. "I support Martin. I just don't support his mission. Can't I do that? I care about Martin, that's why I want him to come home."
As I said, I haven't heard a word about it from him since

Source:American Thinker: Dealing with Leftists who "Support the Troops"
 

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"You can support the troops without supporting the mission; I don't want them to die!"

This is the biggest BS of them all. I support my kids but screw the child support. Yeah they support the troops like I support getting skunked.
 

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We really need to stop using slogans for political purposes. 'support the troops' rings hollow now no matter who says it. Of course our people in uniform are doing their job as ordered, that should be understood by everyone. They are volunteers and they are professionals ( yes, there are some bad actors, just like in every profession, I had 'em in my outfit when I was in the service, too, but, overall, the majority are good Americans doing what they are told, even if it is crappy). Both parties are using the military as pawns for control of power for the '08 elections and neither seems to have any solid solutions for ending the occupation in Iraq. This is not what the military is for. We destroy stuff, in the most efficient means possible, you want peacekeepers and occupiers, call the UN and let them handle the civil war that is erupting in Iraq(along w/ the corruption and failing infrastructure too). It's a damn shame our gov't treats it's warriors this way...
 

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Political parties have always used the military as pawns. That is not new in the 21st century.

Frank, if one is against the war on constitutional or moral grounds how do you think they ought to express support for our troops?

Personally, I believe in providing them the best equipment that they need to survive what they are doing and I certainly believe in providing things like food, shelter, and medical care. I pray for them and typically write or email those who I know are over there. What other kinds of military (non-political) support are you expecting?

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Frank, if one is against the war on constitutional or moral grounds how do you think they ought to express support for our troops
Just say I dont support the troops and the war.
My post is about the politicians who say they support the troops but vote to take the equipment out of their hands. Remember they were the ones that supported the war and the troops originally. Now they're flip flopping for political points.
 

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Yeah Frank, we should continue to support them by having them continue to catch bombs and bullets in a hostile land. I would hate to see how you support your friends and family.
 

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Can you name a War where Americans havent caught bullets and bombs in a foreign land? The Congress and POTUS have signed on to depose a dictator, and asked for volunteers. Leaving without concurment of the troops on the ground wont be an option for the POTUS. He doesnt run the POTUS office by polls or the media. Nor will he decide to C&R until there is a trained defense force capable of fending off Iran, Al Qaeda. But make no mistake, I think if Doctors & Lawyers are now funding Al Qaeda, it will soon be time to let them play. We may have to start playing rough with the moderates, who in the end may be our worst enemy in this fight, probably always were.
 

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The "I support the troops" & "They don't support the troops" arguments are meaningless cliches that appeal to only the most politically ignorant citizens. It's especially infuriating when the phrases are used to further a particular political policy. Like BigJim said, it's nothing short of using our service men & women as pawns in a political debate.

If you want to debate Iraq policy, I'm all ears. But getting into a pissing contest over who most supports the troops is just silly.
 

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jeez, this is one of the dumbest posts yet. is there a prize? that made-up conversation at the beginning takes the cake. And conservatives say others only give lip serveice? Try telling that to the wounded vets plagued by bad living conditions and care. Evidently, since the conservatives care and others don't, they're solely :eek2: responsible for that ****.
 

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jeez, this is one of the dumbest posts yet. is there a prize? that made-up conversation at the beginning takes the cake. And conservatives say others only give lip serveice? Try telling that to the wounded vets plagued by bad living conditions and care. Evidently, since the conservatives care and others don't, they're solely :eek2: responsible for that ****.
Care for Vets could never be good enough but you seem to have only assimilated the Dem. talking points on the subject.

The liberal bank shot still wins nothing HJ. Losing? Change the subject.

Thats almost as stupid as TH and BJ commenting on an article they can't even see.:wacko:
 

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The "I support the troops" & "They don't support the troops" arguments are meaningless cliches that appeal to only the most politically ignorant citizens. It's especially infuriating when the phrases are used to further a particular political policy. Like BigJim said, it's nothing short of using our service men & women as pawns in a political debate.

If you want to debate Iraq policy, I'm all ears. But getting into a pissing contest over who most supports the troops is just silly.
Trouble is Uncle BJ is an ignorant AZZHOLE commenting on something he can't see and hasn't read.

Ask a soldier if you REALLY want to know.

They are really fond of your ilks phrase "dieing in vain"

No need to debate ...we're winning, in spite of the Dems. want truth apart from phather pharasee ask a soldier about that too.
 

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jeez, this is one of the dumbest posts yet. is there a prize? that made-up conversation at the beginning takes the cake. And conservatives say others only give lip serveice? Try telling that to the wounded vets plagued by bad living conditions and care. Evidently, since the conservatives care and others don't, they're solely :eek2: responsible for that ****.
Who's taking care of it, certainly not Murtha or Kerry that called them murderers.
 

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Frank, I bet he understands Kerry verrrry well....

While anyone with any exposure to the rest of the world and half a brain (take the shot) can't even stand to listen.

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Who's taking care of it, certainly not Murtha or Kerry that called them murderers.
too bad your executive legislative and judicial branch didn't bother to take care of them while they held ALL the cards for 6 years. And Murtha and Kerry only called some of them murderers, or are you now asserting that there were no atrocities by any Americans in either war?

Keep on with your addictions fellas.
 

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Care for Vets could never be good enough but you seem to have only assimilated the Dem. talking points on the subject.

The liberal bank shot still wins nothing HJ. Losing? Change the subject.

Thats almost as stupid as TH and BJ commenting on an article they can't even see.:wacko:
read your own post. Frank's too,:yawn: Captain Hyperventilate.
 
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