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AndPat,

This reply is not intended to offend you or your friend.

The Marshyhope is a spawning area that is closed to striper catch and release at this time and your friend broke the law if he "targeted" that fish.

Your photos may subject him to possible prosecution by MD DNR.

http://dnr2.maryland.gov/fisheries/pages/map2.aspx

MD DNR will issue citations for that--at the mouth of Deer Creek they regularly bust recs for fishing with striper lures in the spring.
 

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D. General Fishing Restrictions.

(1) Except as provided in Regulation .09 of this chapter, during the period March 1 through May 31, a person may not catch, harass, harm, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, or attempt to catch striped bass or striped bass hybrids in the striped bass spawning rivers and areas listed in §B of this regulation.

(2) Notwithstanding §D(1) of this regulation, during the period March 1 through May 3, inclusive, a person authorized in accordance with Natural Resources Article, §4-745, Annotated Code of Maryland, to recreationally angle for finfish may hook striped bass and shall immediately release the striped bass unharmed to the water from which the striped bass was taken in the following areas:

(a) Susquehanna Flats, upstream of a line from a point at or near Sandy Point, defined by Lat. 39°26.96'N and Long. 76°03.63'W; then running in an easterly direction to a point at or near Turkey Point, defined by Lat. 39°27.13'N and Long. 76°00.70'W and the Susquehanna River downstream from a line connecting a point at or near the Susquehanna State Park boat ramp in Lapidum, defined by Lat. 39°35.86'N and Long. 76°07.67'W; then running in a northeasterly direction to a point at or near Twin Rocks, defined by Lat. 39°36.17'N and Long. 76°07.56'W; then running in a northeasterly direction to a point at or near Tomes Wharf in Port Deposit, defined by Lat. 39°36.23'N and Long. 76°06.99'W; ; and
 

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AndPat,

This reply is not intended to offend you or your friend.

The Marshyhope is a spawning area that is closed to striper catch and release at this time and your friend broke the law if he "targeted" that fish.

Your photos may subject him to possible prosecution by MD DNR.

http://dnr2.maryland.gov/fisheries/pages/map2.aspx

MD DNR will issue citations for that--at the mouth of Deer Creek they regularly bust recs for fishing with striper lures in the spring.
That's good Info. glad you told me this. But he was fishing for bass, not rockfish. He caught this bass yesterday fishing the same spot. I can't find picture of bass right now. Got to go. Going to the Casino with wife. Thanks Steve!
 

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AndPat,

This reply is not intended to offend you or your friend.

The Marshyhope is a spawning area that is closed to striper catch and release at this time and your friend broke the law if he "targeted" that fish.

Your photos may subject him to possible prosecution by MD DNR.

http://dnr2.maryland.gov/fisheries/pages/map2.aspx

MD DNR will issue citations for that--at the mouth of Deer Creek they regularly bust recs for fishing with striper lures in the spring.
I knew this was going to happen the minute I saw this post. Ought to turn into a five page post how these guys have committed a cardinal sin! Bet you've never done 56 mph in a 55 mph zone! Give em a break! So AndyPat how does it feel to be labeled a poacher by your tidal trash brethren!
 

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That's good Info. glad you told me this. But he was fishing for bass, not rockfish. He caught this bass yesterday fishing the same spot. I can't find picture of bass right now. Got to go. Going to the Casino with wife. Thanks Steve!
That's what I like about TF, great people who share info, good or bad. Must have been a surprise for you and your buddy. Glad to see and read your reports about fishing. You must be retired to be able to fish that much. Hope to do that if I ever retire, LOL.

Not sure what reel world is referring to, but Steve is a great poster with lots of good info. Posters like you and him is why I keep on reading TF. Best fishing forum for me.
 

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AndPat,

This reply is not intended to offend you or your friend.

The Marshyhope is a spawning area that is closed to striper catch and release at this time and your friend broke the law if he "targeted" that fish.

Your photos may subject him to possible prosecution by MD DNR.

http://dnr2.maryland.gov/fisheries/pages/map2.aspx

MD DNR will issue citations for that--at the mouth of Deer Creek they regularly bust recs for fishing with striper lures in the spring.
Knowing you, I have no doubt that you nor your friend had the intention of targeting stripers. However, using a rather large lure may not sit well with DNR. Before April 16, you find see that the regs allow C&R in non-spawning rivers (Severn, Magothy, South). Guys have caught some stripers at fletchers on shad darts.
 

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FWIW: I was told years ago by DNR officer up on Susky - if you caught 2-3 Rock in a row , they expect you to move and / or change lures.

Fishing near Deer creek - guys 100% fishing for SM bass will often get a big Rock by accident.

The Rock will mix in with other fish - I've seen 36 inchers eat a tiny blood worm piece on a # 6 hook - guy was trying for White perch.

No crime in catching one by accident - get it back into water ASAP. Crime comes when guys put it in cooler.
 

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Knowing you, I have no doubt that you nor your friend had the intention of targeting stripers. However, using a rather large lure may not sit well with DNR. Before April 16, you find see that the regs allow C&R in non-spawning rivers (Severn, Magothy, South). Guys have caught some stripers at fletchers on shad darts.
Bluefish, Bob caught a good size bass on that same lure yesterday. Read my post from yesterday. He was not fishing for rock. But I know what your saying. It is a rockfish lure. But we just came back from FL. and it is a good bass lure in FL. and looks like a pretty good one in MD. also. Thanks!
 

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Map No. 2 of Striped Bass Regulations

The printed version of the Code of Maryland Regulations (COMAR) is the official and enforceable text. Only the official text may be judicially noticed under Courts and Judicial Proceedings, Section 10-203, Annotated Code of Maryland. For the complete, searchable, text of these regulations click www.dsd.state.md.us to access the Maryland Division of State Documents.

Striped Bass Regulations for March 1 through 3rd Friday in April
Map No. 2 of Maryland striped bass regulations
The following is a reminder of striped bass catch and release regulations that went into effect on March 22, 2010:

E. Fishing Restrictions for the period March 1 through the 3rd Friday in April. The restrictions in this section apply to the waters of the Chesapeake Bay and its tidal tributaries that are not closed in accordance with §D(1) of this regulation. During the period from March 1 through the third Friday in April:

(1) A person recreationally angling:
(a) When using fish, crabs, or worms as bait, or processed bait, shall use:

(i) Circle hooks; or
(ii) "J" hooks with a gap of less than 1/2 inch between the point and the shank;

(b) May not use stinger hooks; and
(c) Shall use barbless hooks while trolling; and
(2) No more than six lines, regardless of the number of people on board a vessel, may be used for recreationally angling from a boat when trolling.

Language in COMAR identifying the line in the Susquehanna river

D. General Fishing Restrictions.

(1) Except as provided in Regulation .09 of this chapter, during the period March 1 through May 31, a person may not catch, harass, harm, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, or attempt to catch striped bass or striped bass hybrids in the striped bass spawning rivers and areas listed in §B of this regulation.

(2) Notwithstanding §D(1) of this regulation, during the period March 1 through May 3, inclusive, a person authorized in accordance with Natural Resources Article, §4-745, Annotated Code of Maryland, to recreationally angle for finfish may hook striped bass and shall immediately release the striped bass unharmed to the water from which the striped bass was taken in the following areas:

(a) Susquehanna Flats, upstream of a line from a point at or near Sandy Point, defined by Lat. 39°26.96'N and Long. 76°03.63'W; then running in an easterly direction to a point at or near Turkey Point, defined by Lat. 39°27.13'N and Long. 76°00.70'W and the Susquehanna River downstream from a line connecting a point at or near the Susquehanna State Park boat ramp in Lapidum, defined by Lat. 39°35.86'N and Long. 76°07.67'W; then running in a northeasterly direction to a point at or near Twin Rocks, defined by Lat. 39°36.17'N and Long. 76°07.56'W; then running in a northeasterly direction to a point at or near Tomes Wharf in Port Deposit, defined by Lat. 39°36.23'N and Long. 76°06.99'W; ; and
(b) Northeast River.
Definitions:

"Stinger Hook" means any hook which trails another hook, either by direct physical attachment to the lead hook or by a connective device such as a swivel or chain, and is part of the same bait or lure.

"Trolling" means the method of angling in which fish are attracted to a lure or bait being trailed from a boat which is being moved by mechanical power.

"Circle hook" means a non-offset hook with the point turned perpendicularly back to the shank. Circle hooks used in bait fisheries should be "non offset". That is, if the hook is laid on a flat surface, all parts----------- I don't see were Marshy Hope Creek is shut down for catch and release for rockfish. I don't know, but I just can't find were it says no fishing for rock on the Marshy Hope. Can you send me where it says that. I believe you but I what to see it. Thanks!
 

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Andypat,

Again, I intended no disrespect to you, your friend, or anyone else--its a beautiful trophy fish caught from shore on light tackle and its an awesome catch. I have only caught a few in that size range fishing light-tackle lures from my motorboat over the past 15 years while fishing all over the Bay from the Flats to the CC power plant to the Bay Bridge Tunnel in VA.

You are one of my favorite Tidalfish posters and I hope to meet you in person sometime!

And it is a grey area about fishing for bass and other gamefish in areas stripers are spawning, and individual fishermen need to decide what is right for them within the law--its not for me to decide, and it is up the DNR to decide the law.

D1 is the operative paragraph and it applies a seasonal prohibition on targeting stripers in the spawning rivers listed in §B of the regulation

D2 is the exception to the prohibition in D1--it lays out the Susky Flats area catch-and-release zone.

Regulatory text is very legalistic and not something I want to get into very far on an internet discussion, especially since I am not involved in promulgating the state regs, explaining them to LEO and the public, or enforcing them.

The maps are the primary tool I use to see where I can C&R early in the season, which are primarily areas with very little freshwater influence so they have no spawning stripers (which spawn in the tidal freshwater portions of river systems).

The general area around the mouth of the marshyhope and the nearby Nanticoke is a well recognized, historic striped bass spawning area and that river system produces a good portion of the Ches Bay reproduction in some years

If in doubt the best thing is to call MD DNR and ask to talk to someone about the area you fish.

Thanks again for all your great tidalfish posts--please keep them coming!!!!
 

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OK, I see it now. Thanks Steve, Yes the Marshy Hope Creek is a no fishing area for rockfish. I seen it on the map. I'm sure I will hook a few fishing for bass, but I will get them back in water fast. We have a lot of bass fishermen on the Marshy Hope. I heard they hook quite a few rockfish fishing for bass using surface lures. I know they won't stop the bass tournaments on the Marshy Hope. That is big time for Federalsburg.
 

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Below is an example of a MD DNR case from March 14, 2016

http://news.maryland.gov/dnr/2016/0...re-charge-impaired-boater-and-illegal-angler/

".....On Saturday, a Virginia man received three citations for fishing for striped bass in a closed area and fishing without license at Susquehanna State Park in Havre De Grace.

An officer on patrol saw Alex Andrew Field, 28, of Virginia Beach, fishing at about 9:30 p.m. on Stafford Road near the Rock Run grist mill.

A hearing date has not been set in Harford District Court, where Field could be fined as much as $375. Last May, Field was found guilty in Cecil District Court of catching striped bass in a closed area and was fined $227."
 

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Nice fish, anyone who fishes the upper reaches of the breeding streams regularly this time of year is bound to tangle with these fish. One of the issues that I see is trying to convince a DNR officer that you are targeting largemouth bass with a 7" plug.
 

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Page 2 from the experts should we try for page three? Congrats again on the great catch that YOU RELEASED sorry for the headache you gotta deal on tidal trash! These guys already know the rules so much as to dot every I and cross every T. I will never for the life of me figure out that if they have so much time to sit in front of a computer on a fishing webpage why they aren't out fishing instead!
 

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Unfortunately intent is hard to distinguish. Generally I think Skip has it right, if you are catching several rockfish in a row, you are expected to use discretion and stop what you are doing.

The Chester river is closed right now, stingsilvers catch perch, they also catch rockfish. Am I in trouble for catching a rockfish in a stingsilver while fishing for winter perch no, for cathing 10-20, you betcha!!

I asked the same questions about targeting flatheads last year at Conowingo during the closure period. Im throwing jigheads with big twister tails and caught 0 rockfish but caught several flatheads. Had it been the other way around, i'd be risking a hefty fine.

See nothing wrong with one.

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I knew this was going to happen the minute I saw this post. Ought to turn into a five page post how these guys have committed a cardinal sin! Bet you've never done 56 mph in a 55 mph zone! Give em a break! So AndyPat how does it feel to be labeled a poacher by your tidal trash brethren!
No one is labeling Andy a poacher. Steve just gave him a heads up in a most polite way......... Gary
 

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No one is labeling Andy a poacher. Steve just gave him a heads up in a most polite way......... Gary
Tidal trash, there's the clue. Haven't seen a post like that in a while. Too funny to me, this thread is fine. One fisherman advising another. Never too old to learn.
 

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Nice fish, anyone who fishes the upper reaches of the breeding streams regularly this time of year is bound to tangle with these fish. One of the issues that I see is trying to convince a DNR officer that you are targeting largemouth bass with a 7" plug.
A 7" plug is a good bass lure. That I know for sure from years of fishing. Pictures are worth a thousand words.
 

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Page 2 from the experts should we try for page three? Congrats again on the great catch that YOU RELEASED sorry for the headache you gotta deal on tidal trash! These guys already know the rules so much as to dot every I and cross every T. I will never for the life of me figure out that if they have so much time to sit in front of a computer on a fishing webpage why they aren't out fishing instead!
Thanks!
 
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