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Some of you may have followed the saga over whether the State would allow dredging to take place on either side of the mouth of Fox Creek. This week, the State approved the permit to dredge.

My initial reaction, as a SR commissioner, was to oppose this dredging. Fox Creek is similar to the other Severn tidal ponds. It has a very narrow, very shallow opening guarded by a shoal. While the actual mouth of the creek/pond (maybe 10' wide) is about 3 feet deep at low tide, sand flats on either side are only about 6" deep at low water. The creek, itself, has a fair amount of underwater grass and excellent Pickerel fishing (plus some Yellows, Whites, Bream, etc.). It is fed by a small freshwater stream.

The dredging permit, as I understand it, will provide the following:

(1) The mouth of the creek may not be widened or dredged. The only dredging will take place on the sand flat on either side to cut a channel from the mouth to the main river, and from the mouth to the deep area of the pond.

(2) The channel will be pretty narrow (can't recall exact width) and cannot exceed 3-ft in depth (MLW).

(3) The channel will be dug so as not to remove any underwater grass beds.

(4) The permit is for three years of maintenance dredging once the channel is completed. During this time, the State will monitor water quality and SAV in the creek to determine if the dredging is hurting (or helping) water quality. The State may shut down the dredging at any point if the testing indicates a negative impact.

I spoke with both opponents and proponents of the dredging. I became one of the opponents to shift to a more agnostic view of this project. Given these parameters, I (and some others) no longer saw this as an especially egregious assault on the ecosystem. Additionally, some evidence exists that the creek was once more accessible to boats, but had recently (in the last 30-years) become shallower (whether this is due to natural shoaling or new silting from nearby properties is a matter of debate). But either way, this fact sets it apart from places like Ray’s Pond, where the historical evidence suggest that it was not previously navigable....at least not in modern times. Finally, I have become convinced that most of the proponents are good stewards of the resource and genuinely would like to see their creek's water quality improve. Boating access is obviously the leading concern, but I think that their environmental concerns are genuine.

So, that's the story. I believe that good, concerned folks stood on both sides of this debate and that reasonable minds can disagree. However, I wanted to let the SRRKC know about this so you will understand what is going on if you see dredging equipment. Further, the more eyes we have monitoring the health of the creek and ensuring that these reasonable dredging parameters are followed, the better.
 

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Thanks, Goose. It's been an interesting saga to follow over the years. Certainly a lot of passionate debate has gone into this issue. Seems like a reasonable decision was made.

I was wondering about the "previously navigable" aspect of this issue. It seems they had to go back pretty far to find a time when this waterway was more navigable by larger vessels (I recall they were talking about the early 70's - nearly 40 years ago). How far back is reasonable to determine whether a body of water was "previously navigable" when making these decisions?

It was very cool of you to take the time to honestly listen to both sides of the argument and drawing your conclusions and opinions fairly. I wish we saw more of that type of attitude about a lot of things right now :thumbup:
 

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Goose, I was considering going in there to fish the other day. Upon my approach, I did notice maybe a half dozen or so pvc pipe markers from the entrance on out past the closest piers on the river.

Is the "3' MLW" the parameter set for "navigable?

The creek, itself, has a fair amount of underwater grass and excellent Pickerel fishing (plus some Yellows, Whites, Bream, etc.). It is fed by a small freshwater stream.
One of my favorite bluegill fly fishing areas. No pickerel though, so don't waste your time. ;-)
 

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Thanks, Larry. One thing I (and others) are trying to do is turn the energy of both sides into something positive for the Severn. For example, we will be strongly urging those who live on Fox Creek to take advantage of state grants and replace their septic systems with the nitrogen reducing variety. The reduced nitrogen will likely improve water quality better than anything else could. Also, in such an enclosed area, it would provide an excellent test of the effectiveness of such systems.

One issue that has come up is erosion coming from a property at the mouth of the creek. The erosion is natural (made worse when a hill side fell during Isabel), but the dredging proponents have offered to contribute time/money towards creating a living shoreline erosion control system there, especially if the owner agrees not to develop a currently wooded parcel on the creek.

My feeling is that any channel will be quickly filled in by the natural shift of the shoal, even if this erosion is stopped. But it's not my money, so if they want to spend a bundle and take a chance, I'm ok with that. My understanding of the law is that the creek can only be dredged if it was used by boaters within the last thirty years (I believe that means it had to have had 3' MLW access, but I'm not certain). Apparently, pictures of runabouts and at least one 24' saliboat in the creek go back through the 70s, but I never looked closely at the evidence. As far as I can recall (going back to the early 80s), it was very shallow, but with active shoaling it may have gone through several deep and shallow phases during that time.
 

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FWIW: In 1981 - I could run a 12 foot MFG skiff with a 7.5 Merc on the back into the pond and not hit the sandbar.I'm guessing the boat drew about 16 inches with the motor down.

In 1990 - in a similar boat- we had to row in in.

I love the idea of "insisting" all the homeowners upgrade the septic- then dredge the bar :thumbup:. That would really help out the area.If it does get dredged- most likely it will be kept open by boaters going in/out.The channel might get small but should remain open.
 

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Good explanations, Goose. Thanks a lot! That creek would make a very interesting experiment indeed re: N-removing septic systems, though we might not see results for a few years.

Skip, thanks for the history. It's really valuable. FWIW, I've had my Whaler up to the head of the creek a couple of times, but the last was in the fall of '97. Since then, I've only wade-fished the mouth. Greg is right--ABSOLUTELY no pickerel.

I'd like to keep an eye on thhe creek next summer to see how its DO does. We shoould coordinate any such monitoring with Pierre Henkart.

Best, JPW
 

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I've not fished there to debate certain assertions - but my experience in one or two other similar ponds (kayak accessable only) makes me suspicious of the "no pickereal assertion
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I'm still not sure. I thought I could see a few fish wakes in this image.

Link: <http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=39.05096,-76.564815&spn=0.003533,0.006866&t=h&z=17>

Jeff, thanks for providing such good information.
 

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ABSOLUTELY none!
One of the arguments of some of the dredging opponents was that they characterized the creek as a nursery and did not want to let predators in. While good arguments existed against the dredging, that was not one of them. I hated to break it to them, but the "fox" was already in the hen house.....and in large numbers.:yes: One of my favorite Pickerel trips was that wading excursion we did last winter where I could the the Pickerel chase the lure up to my waders, then hang out at the new found "structure."
 

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Predators - ever seen a big blue crab chasing minnows :yes: or a snapping turtle.How about snakes and Herons ? There are plenty of predators in that pond - dredging won't change that.I remember seeing small 8-12 inch Blues in there once- they really tear through the little fish but that is how nature works.

If dregdged - it might allow more Pickerel to fan out into the river during fall/winter where there is more forage.
 

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To me, the nitrogen thing seems like the bigger issue.

As has been previously mentioned, there are NO pickerel in here. The only fish I have seen here were belly up and must have washed in from the main part of the river...
 
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