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its alot to it ,, i just started mine , the coast guard course and exam to get your capt license is honestly the hardest thing ive ever done ,,, everything else is easy it just takes money . you also have to get a twic card now which i just a incovenience but not difficult. i say go for it ,,,
but for example i had to drive a hundred miles each way for 3 weekends in a row and pay for a hotel for 3 weekend to take the nearest coast guard class ,,the class alone with everything included coast me about 1200.00 . the drug test amd first aid course , and twic card , and physical, and paper work. i just did it and its a great accomplishment for me personally but you have to be dedicated .
but for example i had to drive a hundred miles each way for 3 weekends in a row and pay for a hotel for 3 weekend to take the nearest coast guard class ,,the class alone with everything included coast me about 1200.00 . the drug test amd first aid course , and twic card , and physical, and paper work. i just did it and its a great accomplishment for me personally but you have to be dedicated .
its alot to it ,, i just started mine , the coast guard course and exam to get your capt license is honestly the hardest thing ive ever done ,,, everything else is easy it just takes money . you also have to get a twic card now which i just a incovenience but not difficult. i say go for it ,,,
but for example i had to drive a hundred miles each way for 3 weekends in a row and pay for a hotel for 3 weekend to take the nearest coast guard class ,,the class alone with everything included coast me about 1200.00 . the drug test amd first aid course , and twic card , and physical, and paper work. i just did it and its a great accomplishment for me personally but you have to be dedicated .
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thanks for the info and i'm sure you'll do great. :thumbup:
but for example i had to drive a hundred miles each way for 3 weekends in a row and pay for a hotel for 3 weekend to take the nearest coast guard class ,,the class alone with everything included coast me about 1200.00 . the drug test amd first aid course , and twic card , and physical, and paper work. i just did it and its a great accomplishment for me personally but you have to be dedicated .
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thanks for the info and i'm sure you'll do great. :thumbup:
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If you are lucky guideing on the side will pay for your boat, insurance and tackle. I do about 6 trips a month for that purpose. Believe me it is not easy to take a crew of non fishing rascals out. I do about 90% speckled trout and light tackle inshore because most of these guys can cast and keep from hooking each other in the face. You are in for a lot of work setting up your business. Capt lic., guide lic., charter lic., business lic., corporation papers, tackle hookups, the list goes on and on......but the bottom line is that if you are getting paid to take people you don't knowfishing, you better be able to produce or you will have some pissed off customers. Good luck. If I can help give me a shout, Capt. David Hester
If you are lucky guideing on the side will pay for your boat, insurance and tackle. I do about 6 trips a month for that purpose. Believe me it is not easy to take a crew of non fishing rascals out. I do about 90% speckled trout and light tackle inshore because most of these guys can cast and keep from hooking each other in the face. You are in for a lot of work setting up your business. Capt lic., guide lic., charter lic., business lic., corporation papers, tackle hookups, the list goes on and on......but the bottom line is that if you are getting paid to take people you don't knowfishing, you better be able to produce or you will have some pissed off customers. Good luck. If I can help give me a shout, Capt. David Hester
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Please don't take this the wrong way because I don't know you or your fishing abilities. This is just a general comment not direct at you personally.
Before considering becoming a charter Capt or guide, first become the best angler possible. Learn how to fish these waters, learn how to target and catch fish consistently. Build up your creditials as an angler first and foremost. I would even further recommend you specialize in a small number of species rather than try to do everything. Then after getting your license, open up your business and you will do well becuase already your a cut above the average Capt out there.
I see too many people who went out and bought nice pretty boats, got their Capts licenses but they know squat about fishing and wonder why they don't have clients. So me, I am not ready to consider becoming a charter Capt because I'm still learning how to fish. :thumbup:
Before considering becoming a charter Capt or guide, first become the best angler possible. Learn how to fish these waters, learn how to target and catch fish consistently. Build up your creditials as an angler first and foremost. I would even further recommend you specialize in a small number of species rather than try to do everything. Then after getting your license, open up your business and you will do well becuase already your a cut above the average Capt out there.
I see too many people who went out and bought nice pretty boats, got their Capts licenses but they know squat about fishing and wonder why they don't have clients. So me, I am not ready to consider becoming a charter Capt because I'm still learning how to fish. :thumbup:
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thanks for everyones honesty i do appreciate it. Sounds like i'll just stick to taking my friends out and i'll just have to collect up front from them:thumbup: It defenitely takes alot of time and dedication i have the dedication but not the time for it and my fishing knowledge isn't even close to you guys. See you capt's on the water.
Thanks again
thanks for everyones honesty i do appreciate it. Sounds like i'll just stick to taking my friends out and i'll just have to collect up front from them:thumbup: It defenitely takes alot of time and dedication i have the dedication but not the time for it and my fishing knowledge isn't even close to you guys. See you capt's on the water.
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Take a look at renting your boat - you go along for the ride.
Insurance would be about $2,500 a year to designate your boat for part time rental.
I don't think you would have any problems going along for the ride without a captain's license, as long as your renters operate the boat and have a valid rental agreement on board (this is a grey area in the law).
You would also need a rental boat license ($9) from VMRC in Newport News.
Call me if you have any questions - we're doing this minus the going along for the ride.
David - VBC (650-4509).
Insurance would be about $2,500 a year to designate your boat for part time rental.
I don't think you would have any problems going along for the ride without a captain's license, as long as your renters operate the boat and have a valid rental agreement on board (this is a grey area in the law).
You would also need a rental boat license ($9) from VMRC in Newport News.
Call me if you have any questions - we're doing this minus the going along for the ride.
David - VBC (650-4509).
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AND, if you collect fuel money from your buddies or take up a few Ho's here and there where money changes hands, Think about this.... You are technically (from the coast guard's point of view as well as in a court of law) running a charter. So, from a liability standpoint you may atleast want to get your captains license to lessen the blow in case something extroardinary happened to you while just having fun. Many of the guys out there do not realize this important fact.
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unless you have been a mate on a good charter boat for atleast 10 years you shoulod even think about actually you know what just stop pretending and realize your not going charter boat captain end of story.....
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My understanding has always been that if you require your friends to pay to go OR you require money up front then you are doing a charter.
I would expect that if you say "I would appreciate it if you help with gas money at the end of the day." I don't know how the CG could bust you as you did not insist that they pay it.
On the other hand there are lots of folks (some of which that I fish with) who feel that if you don't at least offer to pay for gas get offended and will not be likely to offer to take you out (ever) again. My habit is to offer money at the end of the day, and it is usually accepted. . . .
Me I seldom get gas money, never ask for it and don't expect it. If offered I will often say that is not necessary and take it if they insist. But hey, my boat only has a 50 HP on it and a long day on the water is like 20 gallons of gas.
All that being said being a good HO rule number 3 is to help with expenses.
Maybe we should start a thread on being a good HO and you should hand a copy to your friends that think that
"think that your boat runs on air".
I would expect that if you say "I would appreciate it if you help with gas money at the end of the day." I don't know how the CG could bust you as you did not insist that they pay it.
On the other hand there are lots of folks (some of which that I fish with) who feel that if you don't at least offer to pay for gas get offended and will not be likely to offer to take you out (ever) again. My habit is to offer money at the end of the day, and it is usually accepted. . . .
Me I seldom get gas money, never ask for it and don't expect it. If offered I will often say that is not necessary and take it if they insist. But hey, my boat only has a 50 HP on it and a long day on the water is like 20 gallons of gas.
All that being said being a good HO rule number 3 is to help with expenses.
Maybe we should start a thread on being a good HO and you should hand a copy to your friends that think that
"think that your boat runs on air".
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Amen to that brother. I take friends fishing from time to time. What a pain in the rear. They break my tackle lose my $H%T, tear up my gear, eat my food, drink my beer, but what the heck gas is free anyways right! Oh, and the only rod I get to touch is the one I am fixing next. Charter boat captain. Sign me up!:clap:
Come on now.
Tom, I agree 100%.
Hey Chrome, I've heard this before about the Coasties or State considering a person a "charter" or a "professional" if any moneys are exchanged at the end of the day.
I disagree with this and I hope it's not true. The way I see it, it's no different than a few commuters shariing a ride to work to reduce each individuals expenses. The driver of the car is not at that point considered a "for hire" and required to posses a Chauffer's License.
Any way, it doesn't matter what my opinion is on this either and I'm not attacking you. Like I said, I've heard it several times on this site recently.
I've contacted Maryland's DNR to find out what their position is on this subject.
As soon as I hear back from them I'll let everyone know what they say.
I also contacted the US Coast Guard. They replied to me this evening and said (I quote) "Thank you for contacting the Coast Guard Navigation Center. Your question is beyond our authority. Charter regulations for small vessels such as yours are governed by state regulations primarily and thus your best point of contact will be the Maryland or Virginia Boating Law Administrator.".
I have now also contacted the Maryland and Virginia Boating Law Administrator. I will let everyone know what their reply is as well.
Let us all get a definitive answer on this once and for all.
If any one knows of another authority that I should give the opportunity to weigh in on this, please PM me and I will contact them as well.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled program.
GScott
Tom, I agree 100%.
Hey Chrome, I've heard this before about the Coasties or State considering a person a "charter" or a "professional" if any moneys are exchanged at the end of the day.
I disagree with this and I hope it's not true. The way I see it, it's no different than a few commuters shariing a ride to work to reduce each individuals expenses. The driver of the car is not at that point considered a "for hire" and required to posses a Chauffer's License.
Any way, it doesn't matter what my opinion is on this either and I'm not attacking you. Like I said, I've heard it several times on this site recently.
I've contacted Maryland's DNR to find out what their position is on this subject.
As soon as I hear back from them I'll let everyone know what they say.
I also contacted the US Coast Guard. They replied to me this evening and said (I quote) "Thank you for contacting the Coast Guard Navigation Center. Your question is beyond our authority. Charter regulations for small vessels such as yours are governed by state regulations primarily and thus your best point of contact will be the Maryland or Virginia Boating Law Administrator.".
I have now also contacted the Maryland and Virginia Boating Law Administrator. I will let everyone know what their reply is as well.
Let us all get a definitive answer on this once and for all.
If any one knows of another authority that I should give the opportunity to weigh in on this, please PM me and I will contact them as well.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled program.
GScott
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Helping to pay expenses when fishing has been discussed previously on the board. It comes down to the VOLUNTARY contribution an should not be a condition to fish as a guest.
Below is a post from Brandon hoping to clarify the question.
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Hi Gang
With the price of fuel there has been a lot of guys getting together and fishing with one other to off set the costs. Believe it or not this has sparked the enforcement of some laws from the US Coast Guard. Here is the deal:
Voluntary sharing of expenses is OK. If cost sharing is a condition of carriage, (friendship does not matter), meaning any person is required to share expenses, the trip becomes a passenger for hire. At this point the vessel is no longer a recreational vessel but an uninspected passenger vessel, and there must now be a licensed master or operator on the boat. Basically the boat becomes a charter.
So say someone says they are looking for a Ho for Saturday and you guys/gals talk and the owner of the vessel says, "Love to have you on Sat, but the deal is that we will share expenses and it will be X." Then this is breaking the law.
If you talk and owner says, "Love to have you on Saturday, be there at 8am." You then say,"Can I bring something to help?." Owner says, "Sure bring lunch." So far all is OK. Then at the end of the day you as a HO say, I would like to chip in for gas, how much or you just give the owner money then it is not an issue. Now, should you not give the person gas money that is totally OK. However, the owner might never take you again. That is his/her right.
Basically everything the "Ho" does has to be voluntary and the owner can not pre-set or require a price for the trip with out it being a charter trip.
I know this starts to get nit picky, but the coast coast is cracking down on this, so it's just a heads up for everyone.
Also, there is a great post on Tidal Fish about the Unwritten Rules of HOing. Click here
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Below is a post from Brandon hoping to clarify the question.
#1 (permalink) 04-16-2008, 12:42 PM
Brandon
Chief Angler / Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 14,006
Hosting Hos and the Law - A must read
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Hi Gang
With the price of fuel there has been a lot of guys getting together and fishing with one other to off set the costs. Believe it or not this has sparked the enforcement of some laws from the US Coast Guard. Here is the deal:
Voluntary sharing of expenses is OK. If cost sharing is a condition of carriage, (friendship does not matter), meaning any person is required to share expenses, the trip becomes a passenger for hire. At this point the vessel is no longer a recreational vessel but an uninspected passenger vessel, and there must now be a licensed master or operator on the boat. Basically the boat becomes a charter.
So say someone says they are looking for a Ho for Saturday and you guys/gals talk and the owner of the vessel says, "Love to have you on Sat, but the deal is that we will share expenses and it will be X." Then this is breaking the law.
If you talk and owner says, "Love to have you on Saturday, be there at 8am." You then say,"Can I bring something to help?." Owner says, "Sure bring lunch." So far all is OK. Then at the end of the day you as a HO say, I would like to chip in for gas, how much or you just give the owner money then it is not an issue. Now, should you not give the person gas money that is totally OK. However, the owner might never take you again. That is his/her right.
Basically everything the "Ho" does has to be voluntary and the owner can not pre-set or require a price for the trip with out it being a charter trip.
I know this starts to get nit picky, but the coast coast is cracking down on this, so it's just a heads up for everyone.
Also, there is a great post on Tidal Fish about the Unwritten Rules of HOing. Click here
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Doug
Thanks for posting that Doug. I wish the link was still there. Perhaps Brandon's post should be "stickied" omn the main Chesapeake page (as well as the Unwritten Rules of HOing) since this question keeps coming up. Perhaps it is already and I've not seen it.
Instead of calling, I requested the information from all of the jurisdictional authorities via e-mail so that I / we will have written documentation to clarify this once and for all also.
I will still plan to post any info I receive from the other local authorities.
GScott
Thanks for posting that Doug. I wish the link was still there. Perhaps Brandon's post should be "stickied" omn the main Chesapeake page (as well as the Unwritten Rules of HOing) since this question keeps coming up. Perhaps it is already and I've not seen it.
Instead of calling, I requested the information from all of the jurisdictional authorities via e-mail so that I / we will have written documentation to clarify this once and for all also.
I will still plan to post any info I receive from the other local authorities.
GScott
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dude you seem to be awfully judgemental , what does your portfolio look like ?
Again thanks for all of the positive replies except for one:
Originally Posted by mightywhitey718
unless you have been a mate on a good charter boat for atleast 10 years you shoulod even think about actually you know what just stop pretending and realize your not going charter boat captain end of story.....
Mightywhitey718 sounds like you don't like competition maybe due to lack of business (not sure i don't know you) but I was thinking maybe I should hire you to run my boat (if you have all of your credentials sorry not trying to confuse you all of your requirments to run a charter). If I do that it will benefit you, me, and the readers and by now I'm sure your thinking how? 1. I make money 2. you make money 3. I teach you how to spell for free 4. all of the Tfers don't have to read your post 3 times to figure out what you're saying.
Originally Posted by mightywhitey718
unless you have been a mate on a good charter boat for atleast 10 years you shoulod even think about actually you know what just stop pretending and realize your not going charter boat captain end of story.....
Mightywhitey718 sounds like you don't like competition maybe due to lack of business (not sure i don't know you) but I was thinking maybe I should hire you to run my boat (if you have all of your credentials sorry not trying to confuse you all of your requirments to run a charter). If I do that it will benefit you, me, and the readers and by now I'm sure your thinking how? 1. I make money 2. you make money 3. I teach you how to spell for free 4. all of the Tfers don't have to read your post 3 times to figure out what you're saying.
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I would like to know, who died and made you GOD???
I gave u the benifit of doubt on your last post, but
"COMON MAN" u now sound like a ******* from the
back woods of nowhere!!! ,again, GET A LIFE !!
Capt.Skid:nono:
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