[captaingeorge]

[Q]manfromva originally wrote:
As for the donations made by Omega...I've always heard that give money through the names of their employees as to not to draw attention themselves. They of course have 200 of them in Reedville.
[/Q]Sorry, Billy, but if you can't back it up, it's BS. Doesn't even sound right. Have YOU ever had an employer give you money and ask you to donate it to someone?

 

[manfromva]

george,
I just heard that companies have a cap on how much that they can give to each member of the General Assembly so in order to pad the pockets of the politicians they give their employees money to send to the GA members. sounds plausible. I know Omega incourages their employees to give money to certain key committee members. I just don't know if they money is actually theirs. I can't find the website but there is a site that shows every contribution given to each member with name, address, and occupation. I'll do another search for it and post it if I can.

I agree for that little money Omega gives...no politician should be swayed to vote against a healthy menhaden population or a healthier bay.

 

[Purdue1]

It happens all the time George....I read about it in the newspaper once..[grin][grin]

I will say that making slanderous accusations, not based on any fact...........then having CCA in your signature line..............does not reflect well on the CCA. If I was Juniebuggers lobbyists, I would print a few pages of this slander off of the website, and drop it off with the staff members at every delegates office I went to. I would say, here is what CCA members are saying about you. You don't really need much in the form of contributions with that kind of ammunition.

 

[Sea Gristle]

Way off base Purdue. My own personal opinions are not CCA's anymore than yours reflect Omega's. And it's not even a new idea. Omega's spokestools have been misusing members personal opinions as CCA positions for over a decade.

 

[captaingeorge]

[Q]manfromva originally wrote:
I know Omega incourages their employees to give money to certain key committee members.
[/Q]No doubt this is true. But I don't think very many Omega employees are the type that donate much to politicians.

 

[manfromva]

Here is the website...I was talking about...
<http://www.vpap.org/cands/index.cfm

Northumberland county has given a substantial amount. It sorts by givers, recievers, industries

It really is irrelavant and I'm sorry if I made accusations. I really do no care who gives to who. In all reality I just want what's best for the bay.

Having a healthy menhaden population in the bay should be priorty #1
High nitrogen levels,low oxgenated water,less algae blooms, fish lesions, global warming( well maybe not global warming) all can be helped by an increase in the menhaden population in the bay.

As for me being a CCA member...I pay my dues and my opinions are my opinions. I do attend a meeting every now and then but as far as me being a spokesperson for the CCA..I'm not.

 

[Purdue1]

[Q]manfromva originally wrote:
As for me being a CCA member...I pay my dues and my opinions are my opinions. I do attend a meeting every now and then but as far as me being a spokesperson for the CCA..I'm not.

[/Q]

I understand, but everyone needs to realize that you (anyone who is advertising CCA on the bottom of their post), are representing CCA rather you like it or not. The party line that I have seen adopted by CCA members that "I am speaking for myself not CCA", does not hold water. I am not saying this to be mean spirited. I work for an industry association and among the many hats I wear, one is regulatory affairs. I cannot make unbiased accusations, or I totally lose my credibility and regulators/government officials will not listen to me when I need for them to. In this arena you cannot lie, and you cannot make accusations that strongly offend the people you are trying to work with (unless it is for a targeted strategy that was well thought out). That is why I am flabergasted to see people making accusations that cannot be backed by any fact. It ruins the credibility of CCA and I would make a strong bet that Junnies lobbiests capitalize on this.

 

[Purdue1]

[Q]Sea Gristle originally wrote:
Way off base Purdue. My own personal opinions are not CCA's anymore than yours reflect Omega's. And it's not even a new idea. Omega's spokestools have been misusing members personal opinions as CCA positions for over a decade.
[/Q]

So why do you give them ammunition? I am not off base, you are off base. Why would you represent CCA in this manner and how would it benefit CCA to be represented in this manner?

Why would my opinions reflect Omegas???? I am actually a member of CCA. I would hope more members would speak up in these regards.

 

[Sea Gristle]

Again I do not represent the CCA. My opinions are, often as not, not shared by the CCA. To use it as a basis for why Omega should br sllowed to continue its plunder of the resource is merely an attempt to divert the discussion away from the obvious.

 

[captaingeorge]

[Q]Purdue1 originally wrote:
I understand, but everyone needs to realize that you (anyone who is advertising CCA on the bottom of their post), are representing CCA rather you like it or not.
[/Q]I agree with this wholeheartedly but also know Billy personally and am confident that the health of the bay really is a primary concern of his.

 

[Purdue1]

The ASMFC study will handle the obvious, in the mean time, progress could be made on the political level, but not like this. Please don't divert the discussion, then blame me for doing so because I responded to you. This is insanity.

 

[boneman]

If manfromva were an elected official of CCA, that would be one thing...

By way of example, do the opinions of Jonh Q. Republican directly influence the policies made by George Bush or the positions adopted by the Republican National Committee?

If J.Q.R. were to blog about the need to send Regis Philbin into orbit - does that somehow become the official republican position regarding NASA and the future of manned space flight?

 

[Purdue1]

Sorry capt George, was responding to the other poster. I understand what you are saying. There is many a good heart involved here.....

 

[Purdue1]

Boneman, I am not sure about your hypothetical examples. I am speaking from real world experience having worked for associations and having to represent people who have acted the way that I see here. Not trying to poke anyone in the eye.

Have you ever had to go talk to a government official after your members have made offensive statements about them???????? I have.

 

[Sea Gristle]

Purdue, when one of your association members said something offensive, how did you respond?

 

[Purdue1]

I said, "sorry about that guy (or those guys), they are idiots and we don't really claim them. Every organization has a group of idiots that we have to put up with". or something to that effect, and I suspect you knew that would be my answer.......but it doesn't really undue the negative impact. It is a waste of time to have to make excuses for your members insulting behavior. It works counter to the efforts of the organization, and when an organization has too many of these type of people, it tarnishes the image of the organization......and the image of the organization is very important.

 

[Capt. Mike Anderson]

[Q]Purdue1 originally wrote:
I said, "sorry about that guy (or those guys), they are idiots and we don't really claim them. Every organization has a group of idiots that we have to put up with". or something to that effect, and I suspect you knew that would be my answer.......but it doesn't really undue the negative impact. It is a waste of time to have to make excuses for your members insulting behavior. It works counter to the efforts of the organization, and when an organization has too many of these type of people, it tarnishes the image of the organization......and the image of the organization is very important.
[/Q]

From what I've seen and read on this website, the name CCA needs to be jacked up and a new organization driven under the name.

When will it be about the fish?

 

[Porkchunker]

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[Sea Gristle]

Purdue, what exactly are my " slanderous" and "insulting" remarks?

 

[Sea Gristle]

[Q]Capt. Mike Anderson originally wrote:

From what I've seen and read on this website, the name CCA needs to be jacked up and a new organization driven under the name.

[/Q]

Ready when you are Cap. I'll be your first member. Any serious organization that promotes a cleaner healthier bay and improved fishing gets my support.

Rather than reading people's opinions about CCA I'd like to offer you an invitation to see for yourself and make up your own mind.