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New Rock Regs

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What do you all think about the new slot limit? I'm a fan, should protect the spawning fish. Wondering if the dates they selected for total closure July 16 through Aug 1st are the warmest 2 weeks to protect against high mortality rates of c&r? Thinking it would be more advantageous to close July 15 through Aug 15th. Anyone know their rationale for the dates they chose? Just interested in different opinions.
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"The summer-fall season in most areas of the Chesapeake Bay and its tidal tributaries will be open May 16 through July 15. All areas of the Bay will be closed to any targeting of striped bass from July 16 through July 31, and will reopen August 1 through December 10. Anglers may keep one striped bass per person, per day, with a minimum length of 19 inches and a maximum length of 31 inches. A smaller maximum size of 26 inches is in place in the Susquehanna Flats, Lower Susquehanna River, and North East River until June 1."
"In Maryland’s portion of the Atlantic Ocean and its coastal bays, which are open to striped bass fishing all year, anglers may keep one striped bass per person, per day, with a minimum length of 28 inches and a maximum length of 31 inches. This regulation also goes into effect May 16."

Maryland Summer-Fall Striped Bass Season Regulations Includes New Maximum Size to Conserve Spawning Stock
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A 19-31" slot in the bay is silly. I don't see that it accomplishes much. You will still get the throwback mortality for unders and it has been quite some time for me since pulling a 31"+ summer/fall rock. Coastal slot I do like.

That said, I think more needs to be done, read moratorium.
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While I support these I'm more interested in a full on moratorium.
Commercial guys as well.
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I think there should be no size limit. First rock you catch you keep, or like above, moratorium
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I may be an outlier in not thinking a moratorium is necessary. This is not the early 80s yet. At that time, catch restrictions were much more loose and even those were routinely flaunted, and the pool of breeding fish had dwindled to almost nothing. As evidenced by this March, we still have a significant (albeit depleted) pool of breeding fish. Also, the Hudson and other areas up north are significantly less polluted than back then, so offer a robust, alternative breeding ground.

I do agree that the timeout period should be longer. I haven't written in a fishing log in a few years, but my old logs show water temps typically peak shortly after July 4 and don't drop off much until after mid-August. I'd close from July 10-August 15.

Regarding the slot, yes there will be mortality, but with continued education, current regs for bait fishing, a closed season during the hottest weeks and considering that 99% of released fish will be unders (smaller fish tend to have a higher survival rate for c&r), I don't see this as a huge issue. With the current regs, rock will experience far less fishing mortality of all kinds than in the recent past, and way less than before the moratorium.
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I think there should be no size limit. First rock you catch you keep, or like above, moratorium
1st rock over 18"
Ban live lining.
LOL, they’re gonna kill you! But making catching a bit more challenging ( I.e artificials) and reducing mortality leads me there too. Can’t have 10s of thousands of fish live lined off the same northern school month after month…
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I may be an outlier in not thinking a moratorium is necessary. This is not the early 80s yet. At that time, catch restrictions were much more loose and even those were routinely flaunted, and the pool of breeding fish had dwindled to almost nothing. As evidenced by this March, we still have a significant (albeit depleted) pool of breeding fish. Also, the Hudson and other areas up north are significantly less polluted than back then, so offer a robust, alternative breeding ground.

I do agree that the timeout period should be longer. I haven't written in a fishing log in a few years, but my old logs show water temps typically peak shortly after July 4 and don't drop off much until after mid-August. I'd close from July 10-August 15.

Regarding the slot, yes there will be mortality, but with continued education, current regs for bait fishing, a closed season during the hottest weeks and considering that 99% of released fish will be unders (smaller fish tend to have a higher survival rate for c&r), I don't see this as a huge issue. With the current regs, rock will experience far less fishing mortality of all kinds than in the recent past, and way less than before the moratorium.
"This is not the early 80s..." Very true.
  • 1990 census, 248M; 2020 census 331M. I'm guessing this region increased at a faster rate than nationwide.
  • What kind of electronics were available in the 80s?
  • How many lines were being pulled behind boats?
  • Cell phones/social media to spread the word.
Nature is remarkably resilient given a chance to bounce back. It needs to be given every chance to do so and then be managed properly.
LOL, they’re gonna kill you! But making catching a bit more challenging ( I.e artificials) and reducing mortality leads me there too. Can’t have 10s of thousands of fish live lined off the same northern school month after month…
That'll be the day...

The live lining fleet is a massacre. I enjoyed it just like most everyone else though.
But I also have the ability to adjust my behavior without complaint when necessary.
Doesn't matter what you do if you do not improve spawning habitat and water quality. Fishing is not the problem it is yoy survival. That is the Chesapeake Issue. No survival of yoy for several fish except catfish and snakeheads. Notice we are not overfishing them. Hudson strain most fishing pressure on the planet but high yoy survival and it's like fishing for bluegill out there.
I've heard that about the Hudson. I guess here in MD. A rockfish is a trophy. No matter what size. Recently blue cats are now a trophy fish.
Doesn't matter what you do if you do not improve spawning habitat and water quality. Fishing is not the problem it is yoy survival. That is the Chesapeake Issue. No survival of yoy for several fish except catfish and snakeheads. Notice we are not overfishing them. Hudson strain most fishing pressure on the planet but high yoy survival and it's like fishing for bluegill out there.
Sh.
Slot limits and the CCA are what brought back the redfish in FL! It works, and now they have a new season on reds.
I think the slot limit is silly as well. There isn't that many 31 inchers caught during the summer. Furthermore, how is a 19 incher suppose to get to 31" if it's not protected?

I will also say I saw a lot of floating dead rockfish on the late summer opener of last year. We can't blame the LL/ chumming fleet for that.
I think this is all good. But until they address all of the factors involved, it will not do any good. When you have netters sitting off Ocean City, bringing in overflowing 55 gallon drums of rockfish, it won’t make a difference. When are they going to step up and address the real problems Here in Maryland we take very little fish compared to the rest of the states and most of our rockfish are small males. It’s not rocket science. They need to wake up.
I think this is all good. But until they address all of the factors involved, it will not do any good. When you have netters sitting off Ocean City, bringing in overflowing 55 gallon drums of rockfish, it won’t make a difference. When are they going to step up and address the real problems Here in Maryland we take very little fish compared to the rest of the states and most of our rockfish are small males. It’s not rocket science. They need to wake up.
And they could take every bit of commercial quota and give it to us and it wouldn't make any difference.
Because according to ASMFC, much of this emergency reg change "responds to the unprecedented magnitude of 2022 recreational harvest, which is nearly double that of 2021".
Let's also remember that in MD (not sure about other states), the commercial sector has long since had an upper slot.

And here we are crushing rockfish (just like in the early 2000's, which started the decline) and still blaming others.
We need to wake up and focus on our own house.
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No early C&R
No Trophy Season
June 1st till June 31st open 19"_31".
July 1st till August 31st closed
Sept. 1st till Nov31st open 19"-31"
That stripers will rebound

Mike
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