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NYT: Oh, by the way, forget about that whole "withdrawal from Iraq" thing

posted at 2:30 pm on December 4, 2008 by Allahpundit


In fairness to The One and as duly noted by the Times, he's always distinguished between combat troops, whom he insists will be withdrawn within 16 months, and residual forces, whose deployment would be "entirely conditions-based" and whom one of his advisors said could number as high as 80,000. It wasn't a question of the rhetoric being inconsistent; the question was whether he was on the level or whether, as many leftists doubtless assumed, he was saying what he had to say to get elected.
The Times, a tear in its eye, comes to a painful conclusion:
That status-of-forces agreement remains subject to change, by mutual agreement, and Army planners acknowledge privately that they are examining projections that could see the number of Americans hovering between 30,000 and 50,000 - and some say as high as 70,000 - for a substantial time even beyond 2011…
There always was a tension, if not a bit of a contradiction, in the two parts of Mr. Obama's campaign platform to "end the war" by withdrawing all combat troops by May 2010. To be sure, Mr. Obama was careful to say that the drawdowns he was promising included only combat troops. But supporters who keyed on the language of ending the war might be forgiven if they thought that would mean bringing home all of the troops.
Pentagon planners say that it is possible that Mr. Obama's goal could be accomplished at least in part by relabeling some units, so that those currently counted as combat troops could be "re-missioned," their efforts redefined as training and support for the Iraqis…
To date, there has been no significant criticism from the antiwar left of the Democratic Party of the prospect that Mr. Obama will keep tens of thousands of troops in Iraq for at least several years to come.
"The strategy of declaring defeat in Iraq and blaming Bush seems to have gone by the boards," notes Maguire, drily. "Re-missioning" sounds smart too, since so many "combat" troops are already serving as de facto peacekeepers; better to have trainers there with combat experience, who can double as a rapid response force if things get hairy, than a squad of pure advisors. Exit question: Assuming the Times is right about Obama leaving tens of thousands of troops in place beyond 2011, when can we expect the left to stir? Exit answer, assuming security gains are preseved: Never - because McCain's much-maligned "100 years" comment was entirely true. It's not the occupation, it's the casualties. So long as casualties are low, Americans won't hassle him. Especially Americans eager to see The One push through his domestic agenda.

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Oh they will RF! The fool will come back with mainstream cut and paste bull**** that he and his lover believe. Pathetic.
 

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The two moonbats will give the messiah the credit:yes:. Hell them two might take the credit because they are the only two here that believe their own bull****!:D:clap::clap:
 

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Believe it?? I'm not entirely confident you can even read it.
George I can tell your not entirely confident and it shows real bad!

You may be able to read but know your problem is comprehension.

See here he is Wyle Coyote
 

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Still nice to know that the effort has produced safer streets for Americans in Iraq than in Chicago!

Should tell you something about your messiah.

Casualties decline in Iraq and Afghanistan to lowest level

posted at 11:05 am on December 4, 2008 by Ed Morrissey


The US military reported the lowest level of casualties in both theaters of war in over five years of fighting. The news from Iraq comes as no surprise, as violence has rapidly declined since the surge and some units have yet to fire a weapon in anger during their tour. Afghanistan, though, comes as a much bigger surprise:
U.S. combat deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan last month dropped to the lowest combined level since the United States began fighting the two wars more than five years ago.
Eleven American servicemembers died in combat in the conflicts in November. Seven others died in non-hostile incidents. The highest monthly total for combat deaths in both wars was 129 in November 2004.
Security in Iraq has improved dramatically over the past year, despite a number of high-profile bombing against civilian targets in recent weeks. …
Afghanistan is a more complicated picture. There was only one U.S. combat death in November, the lowest level since February. However, 11 other coalition troops died there last month.
Throughout the presidential campaign, we heard nothing but gloomy, pessimistic analyses of the effort in Afghanistan, and not without some justification. Michael Yon, who is there now, confirms that NATO has let the momentum slip through its fingers and that the Karzai government has lost some credibility due to corruption in Kabul. The US commanders on the ground want 20,000 more troops as a start, one of the few points of agreement between Barack Obama and John McCain on war policy.
This, however, makes it look as though the prospects aren't quite so bleak. Taliban activity has been blunted, apparently due to the stepped-up efforts of the Pakistani military. American attacks across the border began increasing several months ago, and USA Today quotes a brigade commander who says he's seen a decline in attacks over that same period. Winter plays a role in this, too, but even in comparion with other winters, that's a low number for casualties in the war zone.
We still have a lot of work to do, and we need more troops and a bigger commitment to infrastructural missions to accomplish it. Perhaps, though, the outlook isn't quite as bleak as believed, and our aggressive strategies and tactics have created some space for success.

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NYT: Oh, by the way, forget about that whole "withdrawal from Iraq" thing

posted at 2:30 pm on December 4, 2008 by Allahpundit


I-obama-says-residual-troop-levels-in-iraq-are-entirely-conditions-based/"][advisors said could number as high as The Times, a tear in its eye, comes to a painful conclusion:
That status-of-forces agreement remains subject to change, and some say as high as 70,000 - for a substantial time even beyond 2011…
Pentagon planners say that it is possible that Mr. Obama's goal Exit question: Assuming the Times is right Americans won't hassle him. Especially Americans eager to see The One push through his domestic agenda.
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Watch the moonbats disregard it!
Note: Hot Air? is the source and someone named Allahpundit contributed the piece. So much for cross references and sources.

As my cutting up the piece reveals it is pure, unadultrated speculation. Decisions will be "entirely conditions based. Well Duh!

Remains subject to change....What doesn't.

Some say.....yeah and some don't. Real solid reasoning.

it is possible....sure it is possible that the world will come to a end before BO takes office.

Just a bone for the antiObama crowd to chew upon. You lost so who gives ten pounds of penguin poop what McCain says or what a bunch of unnamed speculaters think.
 

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There's enough hot air around here without reading regurgitated cuts and pastes of it.
Follow the links fool.

U.S. combat deaths hit low - USATODAY.com

All are substiantiated and present a topic for discussion, fully attributed.

Unlike your demented grandfathers mind numbing posts.......

Pass it along to your demented grandfather when you're done.
 

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I have to listen to three hours of Mark Levin to get it started again after reading your posts for 10 minutes!

You have a real talent for baseless political hack propoganda.
 

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Probably......


At least mine is attributed and referenced....:D


And I NEVER blame ANYTHING on my puppets!


LOL
 
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