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obamas health plan

Obama health plan to cost $75 billion: analysis | Politics | Reuters

the faq
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Obama08_HealthcareFAQ.pdf

Q. Won't my employer drop coverage?
A. No. Employers who do not offer meaningful coverage to their employees will have to
contribute a percentage of their payroll to help offset the cost of providing coverage to all
Americans. In most cases, this will eliminate an employer's incentive to drop coverage.
Some small employers will be exempt from this requirement.

sounds like socialism to me
 

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less or more than "buyouts" of corporations who cannot manage their own businesses competently enough to earn a profit? In one case private enterprise is being pushed into offsetting some of the outrageous medical costs (mine a week ago were $4332 for a overnight stay). When companies tire of paying these inflated bills they will back candidates who are willing to battle with the medical and pharmaceutical industries. Call it socialism if you will.....but the industries I mentioned have themselves to blame for excessive "profit" taking and collusion of price fixing.
 

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less or more than "buyouts" of corporations who cannot manage their own businesses competently enough to earn a profit? In one case private enterprise is being pushed into offsetting some of the outrageous medical costs (mine a week ago were $4332 for a overnight stay). When companies tire of paying these inflated bills they will back candidates who are willing to battle with the medical and pharmaceutical industries. Call it socialism if you will.....but the industries I mentioned have themselves to blame for excessive "profit" taking and collusion of price fixing.
read it, governments not gonna pay, employers will via more payroll taxes, so in the end you will

more redistribution of wealth, like the plan to take your 401k and have the government manage it since they are doing such a great job with social security
 

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Ask Pelosi if we should bail out the big 3.

you act as if your party wasn't pushing the bailouts etoufool and as though this;

"Thanks SD. I did look it up. Liar in Chief Michale Warren Rose claims he does not live at 314 Locust Terrace, Salisbury Md. A quick check of my old fishing records shows that address is where I picked him up the one time we fished together."

is acceptable on an internet fishing board.
 

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Ever since I graduated college and joined the workforce...I have picked my job based on incentives...My health insurance is fully paid by my employer now and has been for 17 years. Before that I was insured on my parents policy.
 

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Look out people it's coming!
 

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read it, governments not gonna pay, employers will via more payroll taxes, so in the end you will

more redistribution of wealth, like the plan to take your 401k and have the government manage it since they are doing such a great job with social security
Did not say government will pay..employers will until they get tired of doing so and elect those willing to take on the medical costs and pharmaceutical costs in the USA. A bidding basis for Medicare health care (community facilities bid for medicare patients business and the drug mfg.s do also), especially meds, would be a huge start in the right direction.
It was the Republicans that put a ban on we elderly obtaining the same but less costly meds from Canada. The Republican Plan D costs me more than before it was enacted.
No poor me....if Plan D helps some who could not afford meds then I'll pay the extra cost.
 

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when was the last time you or someone you know was turned down at the emergency room....We just had a guy across the river who kept getting shot. Come to find he was shooting himself so he could go to the hosptal to get pain killers.
 

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Ever since I graduated college and joined the workforce...I have picked my job based on incentives...My health insurance is fully paid by my employer now and has been for 17 years. Before that I was insured on my parents policy.
I think that is what bothers the class warfare crowd. If my employer did not pay for my family's benefits, I would be getting 15k more salary. The problem is, the government can not tax the benefits.
 

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CZ: FastCheck points out, as you can see, the McCain had a plan to tax health benefits...

McCain says in a new TV ad: "Let's give every American family a $5,000 refundable tax credit" to buy health insurance.

Sounds good. But McCain failed to mention how existing employer-sponsored health benefits would be affected.

• Workers would be taxed on the value of any employer-paid health benefits, partially offsetting the $5,000 credit for those now covered by such plans.

• Experts say a tax credit plan like this would likely cause companies to reduce or eliminate health benefits for their employees
 

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FastCheck?

You mean FactCheck old man?

Partisan political ties

FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School for Communication and is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.[
Barack Obama was a founding member, chairman, and president of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was also funded by the Annenberg Foundation.[6]

The orginization was effective at being the new mediamatters for the democrats during the election for about 15 minutes.

It's still etoufools bible for correct worship of his new messiah.
 

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CZ: FastCheck points out, as you can see, the McCain had a plan to tax health benefits...

McCain says in a new TV ad: "Let's give every American family a $5,000 refundable tax credit" to buy health insurance.

Sounds good. But McCain failed to mention how existing employer-sponsored health benefits would be affected.

• Workers would be taxed on the value of any employer-paid health benefits, partially offsetting the $5,000 credit for those now covered by such plans.

• Experts say a tax credit plan like this would likely cause companies to reduce or eliminate health benefits for their employees
the thing is if McCain would have been elected his health care wouldn't have passed with the current congress. Democrat control...checks and balances
 

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Can't believe you let the old fart pass on this tripe;

• Experts say a tax credit plan like this would likely cause companies to reduce or eliminate health benefits for their employees
 

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I think that is what bothers the class warfare crowd. If my employer did not pay for my family's benefits, I would be getting 15k more salary. The problem is, the government can not tax the benefits.
That is an interesting issue and becoming a point that is breaking many employers. You are getting an admitted 15 grand benny where someone else in the exact same job with no family, 10 years younger would only seeing a 6 grand benefit.
If you were an employer what could you do to save money?
 

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Tax policy center

Senator McCain's health care proposal would replace the existing tax exclusion for employer-sponsored health insurance (ESI) premiums with a refundable tax credit of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for those families who obtain qualifying health insurance. A Tax Policy Center (TPC<) analysis concludes that this plan would be much more progressive than the current system and would slightly reduce the number of people without insurance, but would also cost about $1.3 trillion over 10 years.

Two factors cause marginal rates to increase.

First, the proposal would raise the cost of purchasing more health insurance. Workers choosing to work more may want to spend some of their added compensation to buy additional coverage. For instance, they may demand more comprehensive plans from their employers. Under the current system, workers receive these extra benefits tax-free. McCain would require that added premiums come out of after-tax pay, effectively raising the marginal tax rate on labor.

Second, adding ESI premiums to taxable compensation will push some taxpayers into higher tax brackets, further raising the marginal cost of additional work. For example, a single taxpayer with taxable income of $75,000 and $7,000 in ESI premiums is in the 25 percent bracket. McCain's plan would raise her taxable income to $82,000 and push her into the 28 percent bracket.

The American citizens have spoken. McCain lost.
 
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