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[q]March 23, 2006 - Following are the ABC News Investigative Unit's summaries of five documents from Saddam Hussein's government, which the U.S. government has released.

The documents discuss Osama bin Laden, weapons of mass destruction, al Qaeda and more.

The full documents can be found on the U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Office Web site: http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm.

Note: Document titles were added by ABC News.

"U.S. War Plan Leaked to Iraqis by Russian Ambassador"

Documents dated March 5-8, 2003

Two Iraqi documents dated in March 2003 - on the eve of the U.S.-led invasion - and addressed to the secretary of Saddam Hussein, describe details of a U.S. plan for war. According to the documents, the plan was disclosed to the Iraqis by the Russian ambassador.

The first document (CMPC-2003-001950) is a handwritten account of a meeting with the Russian ambassador that details his description of the composition, size, location and type of U.S. military forces arrayed in the Gulf and Jordan. The document includes the exact numbers of tanks, armored vehicles, different types of aircraft, missiles, helicopters, aircraft carriers, and other forces, and also includes their exact locations. The ambassador also described the positions of two Special Forces units.

The second document (CMPC-2004-001117) is a typed account, signed by Deputy Foreign Minister Hammam Abdel Khaleq, that states that the Russian ambassador has told the Iraqis that the United States was planning to deploy its force into Iraq from Basra in the South and up the Euphrates, and would avoid entering major cities on the way to Baghdad, which is, in fact what happened. The documents also state "Americans are also planning on taking control of the oil fields in Kirkuk." The information was obtained by the Russians from "sources at U.S. Central Command in Doha, Qatar," according to the document.

This document also includes an account of an amusing incident in which several Iraqi Army officers (presumably seeking further elaboration of the U.S. war plans) contacted the Russian Embassy in Baghdad and stated that the ambassador was their source. Needless to say, this caused great embarrassment to the ambassador, and the officers were instructed "not to mention the ambassador again in that context."

"Osama bin Laden Contact With Iraq"

A newly released prewar Iraqi document indicates that an official representative of Saddam Hussein's government met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan on February 19, 1995, after receiving approval from Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden asked that Iraq broadcast the lectures of Suleiman al Ouda, a radical Saudi preacher, and suggested "carrying out joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia. According to the document, Saddam's presidency was informed of the details of the meeting on March 4, 1995, and Saddam agreed to dedicate a program for them on the radio. The document states that further "development of the relationship and cooperation between the two parties to be left according to what's open [in the future] based on dialogue and agreement on other ways of cooperation." The Sudanese were informed about the agreement to dedicate the program on the radio.

The report then states that "Saudi opposition figure" bin Laden had to leave Sudan in July 1996 after it was accused of harboring terrorists. It says information indicated he was in Afghanistan. "The relationship with him is still through the Sudanese. We're currently working on activating this relationship through a new channel in light of his current location," it states.

"Osama bin Laden and the Taliban"

Document dated Sept. 15, 2001

An Iraqi intelligence service document saying that their Afghan informant, who's only identified by a number, told them that the Afghan consul Ahmed Dahastani claimed the following in front of him:

That OBL and the Taliban are in contact with Iraq and that a group of Taliban and bin Laden group members visited Iraq
That the U.S. has proof the Iraqi government and "bin Laden's group" agreed to cooperate to attack targets inside America.
That in case the Taliban and bin Laden's group turn out to be involved in "these destructive operations," the U.S. may strike Iraq and Afghanistan.
That the Afghan consul heard about the issue of Iraq's relationship with "bin Laden's group" while he was in Iran.

At the end, the writer recommends informing "the committee of intentions" about the above-mentioned items.

"Election Campaign Laws in France"

Documents dated July-August 1999

Correspondence regarding election campaigns in France. This includes a document from the Iraqi intelligence service classified as "secret," ordering the translation of important parts of a 1997 report about campaign financing laws in France. It also includes a document from the foreign minister's office indicating the report was attached. The attached translated report included very detailed information about all the regulations regarding financing of election campaigns in France. Translation was done by someone called Salam Abdul Karim Mohammed.

"Hiding Docs from the U.N. Team"

Document dated March 23, 1997

A letter from the Iraqi intelligence service to directors and managers advising them to follow certain procedures in case of a search by the U.N. team, including:

Removing correspondence with the atomic energy and military industry departments concerning the prohibited weapons (proposals, research, studies, catalogs, etc.)
Removing prohibited materials and equipment, including documents and catalogs and making sure to clear labs and storages of any traces of chemical or biological materials that were previously used or stored
Doing so through a committee which will decide whether to destroy the documents
Removing files from computers.

The letter also advises them on how they should answer questions by U.N. team members. It says the intelligence service should be informed within one week about the progress made in discarding the documents.

"Al Qaeda Presence in Iraq"

Document dated August 2002

A number of correspondences to check rumors that some members of al Qaeda organization have entered Iraq. Three letters say this information cannot be confirmed. The letter on page seven, however, says that information coming from "a trustworthy source" indicates that subjects who are interested in dealing with al Qaeda are in Iraq and have several passports.

The letter seems to be coming from or going to Trebil, a town on the Iraqi-Jordanian border. Follow up on the presence of those subjects is ordered, as well as a comparison of their pictures with those of Jordanian subjects living in Iraq. (This may be referring to pictures of Abu Musaab al Zarqawi and another man on pages 4-6.) The letter also says tourist areas, including hotels and rented apartments, should be searched.

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CIA 'recruited Saddam's foreign minister to spy on Iraqi regime'
By Francis Harris in Washington
(Filed: 22/03/2006)

Saddam Hussein's foreign minister was recruited by the CIA to spy on the regime, a US television network said.


Naji Sabri: recruited in 2002
Naji Sabri told the intelligence agency that Iraq possessed secret stocks of chemical weapons.

Sabri today denied the claims, made by NBC's Nightly News. If confirmed, they would help to explain why President Bush and Tony Blair were so confident that Saddam was lying about weapons of mass destruction.

Mr Sabri reportedly said Saddam had around "500 metric tonnes of chemical warfare agents", that production of the agents had been renewed and that Iraq had additional stockpiles left over from the Iran-Iraq war.

As a senior member of Saddam's inner circle and a friend of his son, Qusay, Mr Sabri would have seemed an extraordinarily good source. He also claimed that although Saddam desperately wanted a nuclear device, he was years from building one.



According to NBC, Mr Sabri was recruited in 2002 when he visited the United Nations headquarters six months before the outbreak of war. The relationship ended when the Americans pressed him to defect.

NBC said it contacted Mr Sabri numerous times to detail the allegations, but he refused to comment.

Today Mr Sabri, who now lives in Qatar, said: “The information carried by NBC are lies, totally fabricated and unfounded.

“After the lies about the weapons of mass destruction which do not exist and the alleged links with al-Qa’eda, it seems that this new lie is aimed at giving a new fake pretext to justify the crime of the century: the invasion of Iraq.”

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In the period before the Iraq war, Saddam Hussein's foreign minister Naji Sabri, was a secret paid source of the CIA, "NBC Nightly News" reported on Monday.

Citing unnamed current and former U.S. intelligence officials, NBC said Sabri provided details of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction that turned out to be more accurate than CIA estimates.

Intelligence sources said Sabri was paid more than $100,000 through an intermediary in a September 2002 deal brokered by the French, NBC reported.

Sabri may have thought he was working with the French, but some U.S. intelligence officials believe he knew it was the CIA, NBC said.

The CIA questioned Sabri through a go-between about Saddam's WMD program, the report said.

According to the intelligence sources, Sabri indicated that Saddam had no significant weapons program and that while the deposed Iraqi leader desperately wanted a nuclear bomb it would have taken more time for him to build one than the CIA's several-months-to-a-year estimate, NBC reported.

Both the CIA and Sabri said Saddam had stockpiled chemical weapons, but both were wrong, NBC said.

WMD were the main justification for President George W. Bush's decision to invade Iraq three years ago, but no such weapons have been found.

Citing intelligence sources, NBC said the CIA's brief relations with Sabri ended after he refused to defect to the United States. The agency had been hoping for a public relations coup, the network said.

Sabri was not named among the former senior Iraqi officials on the U.S. most-wanted list of 55 Iraqi fugitives.

NBC said it found Sabri teaching at a university in the Middle East, but was not revealing his location for security reasons.

Sabri declined to be interviewed or to comment as did the CIA, NBC said, adding that the agency also would not say why it did not listen to Sabri's warnings.

A CIA representative had no comment on the report.

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Ex-Iraqi Official Unveiled as Spy
Former Envoy Worked With French, CIA

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 23, 2006; Page A17

Deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's last foreign minister, Naji Sabri, was a paid spy for French intelligence, which later turned him over to the CIA to supply information about Iraq and its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs more than six months before the war began in March 2003, according to former senior intelligence officials.

Although some CIA officials met informally with Sabri, who traveled extensively outside Iraq, the French and the CIA used a third-country intermediary when attempting to get information from him about Hussein's inner circle and weapons programs, according to the retired officials who refused to be identified because the information is classified.


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"It was never clear what he wanted," one former official familiar with the situation said of Sabri, "but we never paid him." Sabri's role in providing information to the United States was reported by NBC News on Tuesday.

Over the summer of 2002, Sabri, as foreign minister, negotiated the terms U.N. inspectors' return to Iraq, and in November 2002 he announced Hussein's acceptance of the proposal.

Publicly Sabri was insisting that Iraq had no prohibited weapons of mass destruction. Privately, the sources said, he provided information that the Iraqi dictator had ambitions for a nuclear program but that it was not active, and that no biological weapons were being produced or stockpiled, although research was underway.

When it came to chemical weapons, Sabri told his handler that some existed but they were not under military control, a former intelligence official familiar with the situation said. Another former official added: "He said he had been told Hussein had them dispersed among some of the loyal tribes."

At the time, the Bush administration was preparing for the coalition's invasion of Iraq and publicly insisting that Hussein had reconstituted nuclear programs and was concealing from United Nations inspectors both chemical and biological weapons in violation of Security Council resolutions. The White House, which was seeking a congressional resolution that would permit the use of force against Iraq, hoped Sabri would defect, the two former officials said.

"They wanted a big public defection, which would have been good for the policy," one official said. But Sabri comes from a prominent Iraqi family and defection was not an option, one of the former officials said.

The White House was far more interested in trying to get Sabri to defect than in the information he was providing on Iraq's weapons programs, in part because the intelligence community did not trust him, another former intelligence official said.

Sabri took office in fall 2001 after a major housecleaning of Hussein's foreign affairs team. A diplomat with an Iraqi Christian background, Sabri once taught English literature at Baghdad University and was director general of the information ministry during the Persian Gulf War. His brother was one of the Iraqi officials that Hussein had killed because of alleged disloyalty.

Sabri was described as "smart and smooth" by a U.N. official who dealt with him, and as "a type that appeals to Westerners." According to a former intelligence officer, Sabri went out of his way to spend time with Americans and others when he was a diplomatic official in Vienna.

In a speech in February 2004, then-CIA Director George J. Tenet referred to Sabri, although not by name, when he said the CIA had obtained information from "a source who had direct access to Saddam and his inner circle." Tenet said that source described Hussein as covertly seeking to get a nuclear weapon and having stockpiled chemical weapons while his scientists were only "dabbling" with biological weapons development with little success.

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Wow, this is great fun....
 

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I mentioned this a week ago or so. Theres something like 2 million documents to be translated overall, the libs here arent buying, they think its a Bush plot to convince people that he was right all along.
 

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[Q]Capt Frank originally wrote:
the libs here arent buying,
[/Q]this lib, for one, never said that. What I wasn't buying was you trumpeting what they would prove before they'd even been read.
 

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DOCEX is a joke.

[q]Another critical issue is authenticity. A caveat on the website reads: "The US Government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available." Determining which documents are authentic and which are not will be an incredibly important task. This will be difficult task too, since many of the documents have no known chain of custody. There was a bustling black market for forged documents in Baghdad after the war. How will we determine which documents are real and which documents are not? Some documents listed in the HARMONY database have warnings: "DIA suspects inauthentic." Will those documents be included in the release? Will the warnings? Will we learn why the DIA suspected that the document might not be authentic? Has forensic document authentication been done on any of the documents? Which ones? [/q]
 

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Gasp; an unsourced cut and paste! I expect capt.george will be along shortly to chastize you!
 

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The US Government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available. Users who come across documents they feel are inappropriately released may contact the responsible officers at [email protected] The ODNI press release and public affairs contact information is available at http://www.odni.gov/ FROM: Foreign Military Studies Office Joint Reserve Intelligence Center.

There are those who feel that the documents have been conveniently "found" just when a President is drowning in his parties incompetence and corruption. Certainly the release of documents is just another Bush ploy to take the heat off himself and a congress whose main business is scrambling at the pork trough.

At the request of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the US Army Foreign Military Studies Office has created this portal to provide the general public with access to unclassified documents and media captured during Operation Iraqi Freedom.
NOTE: THE INITIAL PARAGRAPH SAYS THESE DOCUMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS TO AUTHENTICITY, VALIDITY OR FACTUAL ACCURACY AND THAT THE GOVERNMENT BEARS NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE VALIDITY OF THE TRANSLATION....BUT DON'T YOU "LIBS" THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE THEM RELEASED...AND OF COURSE IF FOUND TO BE A FRAUD THEN OUT THE ESCAPE HATCH..."WHY WE NEVER SAID THEY WERE AUTHENTIC, VALID OR FACTUAL...GWB"
 

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They have to be right; some guy named "Lucy Remeriz" faxed them to me from a Kinko's in Waco.
 

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Glad you made it to work on time F...hate to see our tax-payed employees late. Have your coffee? Ready for a "hard-morning" defending GWB and his band of "Robber Barons".

The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) is conducting a criminal investigation into Halliburton ’s admission that it “may have paid” $180 million in bribes to officials in the Nigerian government to win a multibillion dollar construction con-tract. Some of the bribes were paid during Dick Cheney’s tenure as chief executive officer. FROM CorpWatch.com (PS a great way to keep track of the robber barons).

Now for your morning's lesson....Its Ramirez not Remeriz. See ya...off the deliver Meals on Wheels...its a lib kinda thing.
 

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[Q]etouffe123 originally wrote:
The US Government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available. Users who come across documents they feel are inappropriately released may contact the responsible officers at [email protected] The ODNI press release and public affairs contact information is available at http://www.odni.gov/ FROM: Foreign Military Studies Office Joint Reserve Intelligence Center.

There are those who feel that the documents have been conveniently "found" just when a President is drowning in his parties incompetence and corruption. Certainly the release of documents is just another Bush ploy to take the heat off himself and a congress whose main business is scrambling at the pork trough.

At the request of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the US Army Foreign Military Studies Office has created this portal to provide the general public with access to unclassified documents and media captured during Operation Iraqi Freedom.
NOTE: THE INITIAL PARAGRAPH SAYS THESE DOCUMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS TO AUTHENTICITY, VALIDITY OR FACTUAL ACCURACY AND THAT THE GOVERNMENT BEARS NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE VALIDITY OF THE TRANSLATION....BUT DON'T YOU "LIBS" THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE THEM RELEASED...AND OF COURSE IF FOUND TO BE A FRAUD THEN OUT THE ESCAPE HATCH..."WHY WE NEVER SAID THEY WERE AUTHENTIC, VALID OR FACTUAL...GWB"
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Any questions, I rest my case...
 

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Hey Id of bet my whole collection of fishing stuff, which numbers in the many thousands, that etouffe wasnt buying, or Slug for that matter. You know its a big conspiracy by the Bush admin to save their azz on Iraq...........Bush probably has a whole Div of NSA types falsifying the docs to make it look like Saddam had Al Qaeda ties, or had WMD. Heck Id bet that a Saddam confession letter might pop up, stating that he met with Binny, and sent the whole weapons program to Syria.[wink]
 

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[q]Now for your morning's lesson....Its Ramirez not Remeriz. [/q]

Now he's telling me how to spell the name of somebody who's fictional.
 

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[Q]Capt Frank originally wrote:
You know its a big conspiracy by the Bush admin to save their azz on Iraq...........
[/Q]It's become clear that the President is no longer concerned with this. Fellow Pubs may suffer but he appears uninterested in that.
 

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[Q]Capt Frank originally wrote:
Hey Id of bet my whole collection of fishing stuff, which numbers in the many thousands, that etouffe wasnt buying, or Slug for that matter. You know its a big conspiracy by the Bush admin to save their azz on Iraq...........Bush probably has a whole Div of NSA types falsifying the docs to make it look like Saddam had Al Qaeda ties, or had WMD. Heck Id bet that a Saddam confession letter might pop up, stating that he met with Binny, and sent the whole weapons program to Syria.[wink]
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Like the yellow cake forgery used to support the war. Who had the ability to make it and whos case did it support? and why has no one investigated its origin? Frank?
 

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You need to update your propaganda Slugg; the Joe Wilson lie has been thoroughly discredited.
 

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Sorry I must have missed it... Who forged the document with Allele Habibous' signature after he was out of office? Or the one with Tandja Mamadou signature that was an obvious fake? Or the one stating that 500 tons of yellow cake were to become unaccounted for? These are very real documents that came from somewhere? Tell us all.... who printed them?
 

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The forged documents are simply irrelevent. Even Joe Wilson has been forced to admit that he was told that the Iraqis had a secret trade delegation in Niger. Since Niger has 3 exports, uranium, peanuts and cattle, and secret negotiations aren't exactly required for peanuts and cattle, even he reported back to the CIA that in all probability that the Iraqis were looking for uranium.

Now, uranium has several uses; a glaze in pottery (nice bright Fiesta red), an electron microscopic stain. However, those can be purchase on the open market, and are normally composed of depleted uranium (uranium with most of the fissile U235 removed), since the nuclear power industry and weapons production make large quantities of depeleted U. Since Niger doesn't enrich uranium, but only sells natural stuff with normal levels of U235 - I wonder what they wanted it for?
 
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