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Does anyone frequency use shrimp and or crab patterns for the mid bay? I've tied up some Crab colored clouser patterns but that's about it. I noticed a pattern that Bob Pop has in his book to resemble grass shrimp, but didn't know how many grass shrimp are in the mid-bay region. If you do use any different patterns, please post a pic of them. If not, how are they tied? Most of my patterns are baitfish patterns (Clousers, 1/2 and 1/2s, BT deceivers and small silverside/Anchovy patterns for the most part) Thanks.
 

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I've used a few crab patterns with mixed results. Mc Crab worked well. Del Browns Merkin was less successful but it might have been the day.
I picked up a crab fly down in Boca Grand a few years ago that I liked. Basically it was spun deer hair clipped into a disk shape (about the size of a 50cent piece) with tarpon style feathers splayed out for claws. Sexy looking fly, and I caught a handful of small stripers back in the marsh with it. Might be fun to have a few for cobia season. This is a poor represention but looking down on it it looked like ">O" that. The deer hair and the big owner tarpon hook cancled eachother out and essentially is was a very slow sink fly.
If I can find one I'll try to post a picture.

MIke

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For a shrimp consider a wooly bugger. Not very durable, but it works well for more than trout. I tie one with olive chenille body, olive marabou tail and use dun hackle palmered up the body. I'm going to try some tan and ginger variations this year as well. I believe some folks tie a crystal bugger (chrystal or ice chenille body, no hackle) for a similar and more durable imitation.
 

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Shrimp and Crab Flies

Timeflies,

Since I am not set up to post pictures on this site I am going to give links to where I do post along with a lot of other folks. You can find a wealth of crab and shrimp flies on that site if you poke around.

I have used these crab flies and this type of shrimp flies here in the bay and they work. The shrimp flies are called General Practioner's (GP's). The Crabs are my ties, the GP's are other folks.

Crabs:
http://www.stripermoon.com/talkshop2/messages/4902.html
http://www.stripermoon.com/talkshop2/messages/4904.html
http://www.stripermoon.com/talkshop2/messages/4909.html
http://www.stripermoon.com/talkshop2/messages/4845.html

Shrimp:
http://www.stripermoon.com/talkshop2/messages/5769.html
http://www.stripermoon.com/talkshop2/messages/3872.html
http://www.stripermoon.com/talkshop2/messages/3760.html

Hope these help.
Paul M.
 

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Shrimp and Crab Flies

TimeFlies,

I almost don't know how to answer your question on durability. I can't say I have ever tangled with a Yamaha. The flies are delicate but durable for fishing. They don't come apart. They also are meant to be fished a different way then most hard body crab flies. I usually use a drift presentation of some form, greased line swing, or dead drift for them if the water is moving. I do not drag them across the bottom as one would with a bone fish crab fly. Have you ever seen small blue crabs swimming in the water? That motion is what I try to mimic, and I let the current do most of the work. I have found that if the current is moving too fast the flies will deform, and they look more like jelly fish than crabs. The small ones hold their shape more in fast water.
I typically don't tie flies to last all season so long term durability is not an issue for me, either the fish tear them up, the hooks rust or I give them away. I seldom get more then a couple of outings out of a successful fly. The faster they go away, the more I get to tie.

Striper Dude,
Indeed, GP's have their roots in the Spey Fly tradition and yes, they can be deadly, I particularly like olive with brown, and flame orange with black. Tied in the right colors they can imitate many bait fish as well.

TLA
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I heard Hank Norton at a seminar that he liked a simple grass shrimp pattern, just estaz body eyes and antennae, brown and a pearl colors. Small hook, don't think grass shrimp get very big.

There are Mantis shrimp out there too
 

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Combo patterns do well in Mobjack and other mid bay spots for us. I have been playing around with some of the new EP hair brushes with legs and the flies fish nice. You can tie sort of bugger style, but with dumbells and other types of material for the tail etc... In stained water, the dark browns, blacks, purples work well and when the water clears, more of a tan or white seem to win out. You can leave full body, or trim flat to resemble more of a crab. Possibilities are endless. Trout and pups love em. Another color combo, fire orange and green.

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TF,

I guess what I mean by a combo fly is that it can imitate both shrimp and crabs or any other bottom crawiling critter for that matter. I use arctic fox, marabou, bunny strips for some of the tails, kicker legs made from saddles(Borski style), and various other materials. The EP brush stuff has a thin wire in it so you basically just palmer it forward and then tie down. Once tied in, pull out the fibers and rubber strands to give the profile you want. The EP brush also has a little flash blended in so you really don't need to add any. Another good body material is estaz or crystal chenille. I'll try and post some examples when I get a chance. I am also going to try some toads this spring up in the shallows-mostly tan or dark brown. They look like a crab in the water so we'll see. I tend to catch more fish down near the bottom around structure so we'll see how things work out.

TK
 
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