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I've got the TV tuned in to Barack Obama now on the fear-mongering, corporate-bashing pulpit, delivering his latest speech pimping the Generational Theft Act of 2009.
While he drones on, here's a flashback link to a UCLA study published in 2004 that bears notice again. Timely and relevant. And, alas, about to go unheeded again:
Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.
"Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump," said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA's Department of Economics. "We found that a relapse isn't likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies."
In an article in the August issue of the Journal of Political Economy, Ohanian and Cole blame specific anti-competition and pro-labor measures that Roosevelt promoted and signed into law June 16, 1933.
"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies."
Using data collected in 1929 by the Conference Board and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Cole and Ohanian were able to establish average wages and prices across a range of industries just prior to the Depression. By adjusting for annual increases in productivity, they were able to use the 1929 benchmark to figure out what prices and wages would have been during every year of the Depression had Roosevelt's policies not gone into effect. They then compared those figures with actual prices and wages as reflected in the Conference Board data.
In the three years following the implementation of Roosevelt's policies, wages in 11 key industries averaged 25 percent higher than they otherwise would have done, the economists calculate. But unemployment was also 25 percent higher than it should have been, given gains in productivity.
Meanwhile, prices across 19 industries averaged 23 percent above where they should have been, given the state of the economy. With goods and services that much harder for consumers to afford, demand stalled and the gross national product floundered at 27 percent below where it otherwise might have been.
"High wages and high prices in an economic slump run contrary to everything we know about market forces in economic downturns," Ohanian said. "As we've seen in the past several years, salaries and prices fall when unemployment is high. By artificially inflating both, the New Deal policies short-circuited the market's self-correcting forces."
Pay attention to the conclusions in bold:
Roosevelt's role in lifting the nation out of the Great Depression has been so revered that Time magazine readers cited it in 1999 when naming him the 20th century's second-most influential figure.
"This is exciting and valuable research," said Robert E. Lucas Jr., the 1995 Nobel Laureate in economics, and the John Dewey Distinguished Service Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. "The prevention and cure of depressions is a central mission of macroeconomics, and if we can't understand what happened in the 1930s, how can we be sure it won't happen again?"
…"The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations of economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover from depressions and that significant government intervention was required to achieve good outcomes," Cole said. "Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened."
 

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Come on etoufool........

One of the holey trinity of liberal economic history rewriting is called into question by the epicenter of moonbat education and not even a Bush bash retort?

They must have increased the happy meds or he's cowering in the corner with his fingers in his ears singing la la la la la la la, I can't hear you.
 

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Come on etoufool........

One of the holey trinity of liberal economic history rewriting is called into question by the epicenter of moonbat education and not even a Bush bash retort?

They must have increased the happy meds or he's cowering in the corner with his fingers in his ears singing la la la la la la la, I can't hear you.
Hell I chased him away RF:D:clap:
 

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Unlike you, I try not to get involved in discussions about which I know little. However I do know that nearly every attempt that you make at making an intelligent argument is met with abject failure. Therefore there is little need to take more than a passing glance at your cut and paste.
 

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Unlike you, I try not to get involved in discussions about which I know little. However I do know that nearly every attempt that you make at making an intelligent argument is met with abject failure. Therefore there is little need to take more than a passing glance at your cut and paste.
That explains your drive by comments that address the thread topic huh.:confused:

A spotted dick by any other name is still..............................
 

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Talk about Monday morning quarterbacking. rf finds two economists from an accredited university that agree with him and suddenly they are his new prophets. Maybe he'll name offspring 10 & 11 after them.
 
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