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Depite your personal political beliefs, most here are actually fairly astute when it comes to politics. Unfortunately, when it comes to the general public, this isn't the case. Most are more concerned w/ what's on TV than what their elected officials are doing. I've said it before, Joe Public is a retard. African Americans are going to come out in droves to vote, unfortunately, many won't be truly informed...

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Uh...in case you guys forgot, blacks are still a minority. One can't get elected President without a significant portion of the white vote.
 

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The candidates get worse and worse each year. Its pitifull. Its obvious we will be a socialist nation with all our constitutional rights flushed right down the toilet in the name of the nation. When we get to the 75% tax rate will we be able or willing to revolt? Nope! Our gun rights are gone. why the F#$k did the founding fathers put them there? Its sad. Sit back and watch.
 

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The candidates get worse and worse each year. Its pitifull. Its obvious we will be a socialist nation with all our constitutional rights flushed right down the toilet in the name of the nation. When we get to the 75% tax rate will we be able or willing to revolt? Nope! Our gun rights are gone. why the F#$k did the founding fathers put them there? Its sad. Sit back and watch.
Without Googling, can you please explain the correlation between socialism and our constitutional rights (using specific examples...hopefully besides just the second amendment, which wasn't even in the original Constitution), how much "socialism" is too much and what specific socialist policies you'd keep, if any? It seems to be such a popular word, lately; I'm just curious what the fuss is about.
 

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Washington Post, Oct 14
Eugene Robinson

..."It's pathetic to hear right-wing talk radio blowhards try to associate Barack Obama with "radical" or "socialist" views when a Republican administration is tossing aside "Atlas Shrugged" and speed-reading "Das Kapital." ...
 

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Washington Post, Oct 14
Eugene Robinson

..."It's pathetic to hear right-wing talk radio blowhards try to associate Barack Obama with "radical" or "socialist" views when a Republican administration is tossing aside "Atlas Shrugged" and speed-reading "Das Kapital." ...
Can't argue with that except to say that W belongs in your party. Just because he has an R after his name obviously means nothing.
 

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Without Googling, can you please explain the correlation between socialism and our constitutional rights (using specific examples...hopefully besides just the second amendment, which wasn't even in the original Constitution), how much "socialism" is too much and what specific socialist policies you'd keep, if any? It seems to be such a popular word, lately; I'm just curious what the fuss is about.
This is the only contradiction I see.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I have asked this before, to the crickets chirping. Which Socialist country has ever, long term, afforded its people Liberty? The dictionary definition vs. practical definition are 2 different things. Once power is concentrated, it is ripe for dictatorial overthrow. That is just an unfortunate nature of the beast. Every Socialist country, that I can remember, has fallen under totalitarian control (Communism).

Sorry, I did Google to get the exact wording.:D
 

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Actually, I think that divided, fractured societies are just as vulnerable to totalitarian rule, if not more so, than those with strong central governments. I'm having a hard time thinking of any major economic power in history that did not have a strong central government with some pretty strong socialist tendencies, but I've never thoroughly vetted the issue.

As for our country, it has been built on debt from the get go. Today's debt, as a percentage of GDP, actually is lower than we've sometimes been. And when it's been at its lowest, our economy has dealt with some horrible feudal-like conditions, economic panics, etc. So debt, by itself, does not seem to be a barometer of economic health, if one defines such health by the well-being of most citizens.

Just about every capitalist economy has required socialist-style intervention to keep it afloat. That could mean that socialism is perfectly compatible with such societies, or that such societies are doomed to eventual failure. Or maybe something else that I'm missing. Hopefully, it's not #2. Keep in mind that our little experiment here in N.A. (and now largely copied worldwide) is still a very new blip on the radar going back, at most, 130 years (and maybe only a few decades if you're a Keynesian).

I'm smack in the middle of the current financial whirlwind and haven't heard any solid answers on anything, yet. At its base, economics is just a way to quantify human behavior and allocate resources accrodingly. The problem is getting the first part right, since it drives the second part.
 

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When you decide to mock capitalism by heavily taxing individuals, corporations, small businesses who possibly worked harder then some on the other end of the spectrum, and redistribute that tax to the lower income so that they dont pay tax, that is called income distribution, a tennant of socialism. You are correct in that central governments have always had some form of socialism, look at the military and what they do. Government programs provide services in some sort of socialist distribution. Obama's plan of taxation is a more extreme view of socialist income redistribution. I think that sets a dangerous precedent in that corporations will seek to move their operations to more friendlier govts with less taxation, and will ultimately replace the taxation with less jobs, or drive up the cost of goods. To be sure, I doubt that even Obama could get this thru a Pelosi/Reid Congress, given the current state of affairs. Personnally Ive always been in favor of a flat tax, to not only simplify the tax code but to evenly distribute the tax. As far as Bush goes, he stopped being a conservative after a couple of years and failing to veto one spending plan. I actually see, the Clintons, and McCain more closely aligned then Obama and Clinton. The reason McCain wont win, and the creation of a socialist like Obama is due to Bush and his inability to control spending. All the socialists have to do is say we'll give you more of the same and someone's always buying. Im hoping for a 3rd stronger party to emerge after this debackle has been played out, a party that is really conservative. It now appears more evident that these parties are basically the same and Big Jim, was right all along.
 

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Without Googling, can you please explain the correlation between socialism and our constitutional rights (using specific examples...hopefully besides just the second amendment, which wasn't even in the original Constitution), how much "socialism" is too much and what specific socialist policies you'd keep, if any? It seems to be such a popular word, lately; I'm just curious what the fuss is about.
are you actually obama?
 

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..."It's pathetic to hear right-wing talk radio blowhards try to associate Barack Obama with "radical" or "socialist" views when a Republican administration is tossing aside "Atlas Shrugged" and speed-reading "Das Kapital." ...
nah capt cowchip, like your messiah they're reading this:

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shouldn't you be writing your sermon?


Isn't playing on the internet while you should have been tending your flock how you got voted out last time?
 
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