Has any of you guys used the Double X mag. load that winchester use to have for duck hunting? I used to use them for duck hunting when they were legal and that was the tightest shooting load I've ever seen. I tried to reload a shell as good, but to no avail, not even a 3 inch mag. would match it. Usually you can match a load or better it by reloading , but not that one. It had a buffer in the shot that must have been the secret allthough I think you can now buy buffer material. I found about 20 of my old shells the other day and plan to tare a turkeys' head off with one in the near future. Good hunting.