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Okay Laura and Condi, your right, we're wrong.... Give me a f'ing break......

WASHINGTON - The two most influential women in President George W. Bush's White House - first lady Laura Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice - are strongly defending the president's legacy against critics who are calling his administration one of the worst in history.

"I know it's not, and so I don't really feel like I need to respond to people that view it that way," Mrs. Bush said in an interview that aired Sunday. "I think history will judge and we'll see later."

Rice took a similar view in a separate interview, saying that claims that the Bush administration has been one of the worst ever are "ridiculous."

"I think generations pretty soon are going to start to thank this president for what he's done. This generation will," Rice said.

"Because I think the fact that we have really made foreign assistance not just an issue of giving humanitarian aid or giving money to poor people, but really insisting on good governance and fighting corruption," she said. "I think the fact that this president has laid the groundwork for a Palestinian state, being the first president, as a matter of policy, to say that there should be one, and now, I think, laying the foundation that's going to lead to that Palestinian state - I can go on and on."

In her interview, Mrs. Bush called the shoe-throwing incident in Baghdad an "assault." She rebuffed Bush administration critics who contend the U.S. turned its military might and resources to the war in Iraq before finishing the job in Afghanistan.

Mrs. Bush noted that under her husband's watch, the U.S. toppled Saddam Hussein and liberated millions of people in Afghanistan and Iraq from oppressive governments. She also highlighted the president's work to provide treatment for disease like AIDS and malaria to millions of people in sub-Saharan Africa. She said her husband responded to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in a way that has kept the nation safe.

"I think that's very, very important," she said.

Mrs. Bush said that while the president laughed it off when an Iraqi reporter threw his shoes at him during a news conference earlier this month in Iraq, she was not amused. The president deftly dodged the shoes and wasn't hit. He continued the news conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki after security officials dragged the journalist from the room.

"The president laughed it off," she said. "He wasn't hurt. He's very quick. As you know, he's a natural athlete and ducked it. But on the other hand, it is an assault. And I think it should be treated that way. And I think people should think of it that way."

On the other hand, she said the incident reflects change in Iraq.

"As bad as the incident is, in my view, it is a sign that Iraqis feel a lot freer to express themselves," she said.

Mrs. Bush challenged critics who contend that Iraq was a distraction the U.S. mission in Afghanistan where heightened violence is causing renewed instability.

"Well, I don't know that I would agree with that at all," Mrs. Bush said. "I don't think that's true at all. We've stayed very, very invested in Afghanistan. Not as invested militarily, maybe, and maybe that's what the critics say, that it should have been more military. But I think we stayed very invested."

Rice said it won't be long before Bush's contributions to the world will be acknowledged.

"When you look at what this president took on in terms of AIDS relief and foreign assistance to the world, when you look at the number of countries ... and the number of people that this president has actually liberated - you know, I really am someone who believes that you don't want to pay too much attention to today's headlines," she said.

But recognition of big achievements sometimes take a long time, Rice said.

Rice noted that while Germany was reunified in 1990, the work that made it possible was done in the 1940s, "when things didn't look quite so rosy." So historians who are now making judgments about the Bush administration and its Middle East policies aren't very good historians, Rice said.

"One cannot yet judge the effects of decisions that this president has taken on what the Middle East will become," Rice said. "I mean, for goodness' sakes, good historians are still writing books about George Washington."

Mrs. Bush spoke on "Fox News Sunday," while Rice was on CBS "Sunday Morning."
 

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It's clear your a Bush derranger. I would say this, history generally takes decades if not centuries to write the final chapter. While Ive had like others, problems with Bush, esp his last 4 years, no one can argue that his actions have resulted in the US not taken a Jihadist attack since 9/11. The troop surge has been a success, Patreus was not Betreus as the Democratics insisted. In fact even Obama could not argue with the success of the action. The eco meltdown was on Bush's watch. Did Bush cause it? On the history side he'll prolly get the blame as the watcher, as well as poor personnel hired to watch the money. In reality the real problem occurred due to bad paper, and the people assigned to oversee the money, then those dolers took big bucks to fail. When you dole out billions to people who cant pay it back you got problems. I'd say do some homework on the money trail and get back to us on it, there's plenty of blame to go around. If you think it's all a repub problem, then your a total political idealogue, and there's plenty of those to go around these days.
 

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Good points Frank....I blame most of this mess on the Banks / investors that made TONS of money writing bad paper...I dont think Bush was in on this raping of the general public. Any one can be a monday morning QB and point fingers at the unclear-----may be they should point their finger in the mirror instead.
 

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Clinton left us with a recession. It was stalled by an economic boom of consumer debt. Had Bush stopped it he would have never been re-elected.

We are looking at the worst period since the depression and it will rightfully so be pinned on Bush.

Strong economies are built on strong and increasing wages. If nothing else remember one thing.... George Bush turned the hamburger flippers at your local McDonalds from service workers to manufacturing jobs.

My guess is the more that gets exposed (and remember he has complete control of what documents may be released to the public.... forever) the worse his standing will become.
 

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Sorry boys, I voted for Bush, TWICE and he'll be forever remembered as the worst. Did he ask for this, No... Did he react correctly ?? Thats subject for debate. BUT, whats his approval rating ?? Below 26% I beleive... The worst.. Condi and Laura can spin it, but he's going down as the worst.
 

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Echo I dont know how old you are, I go back over 58 years, so I'd say by a long shot Carter was the worse. Tragically he may have been the most honest. Unfortunately one could argue that the Jihadi movement against the US began on his watch. If you dont remember, Google Nightline, America held hostage 444 days, I still remember the amount of days, night after night on Nightline. The Misery Index and various other failures really sunk Carter. Most people I knew did no do well economically during that period, as well as the military in strategic strength. Conversely Reagan was a far shot the best, esp on the economic side, since there were no major wars, and the miltary buildup which eventually brought down the USSR. Bush is a tale of 2 Presidencies, great eco during the first term and decline during the second. The thing I hated most about Bush was his pro illegal stance, but quite honestly he was prolly under great pressure to invade Iraq from not only his own advisors, but intel from home and abroad. Also Congress was calling for action, check who voted to invade, you might be surprised, but for me that wasnt the worse. The worse was putting people in charge who were inept at watching the money, or who failed to take action. Iraq is winding down, prolly 3-4 Divs a year thru attrition. Obama will redeply into Afghanistan, and if you think that's going to be a cake walk guess again. Remember a powerful country was already kicked out. If the Talis get heavy support, we could be looking at worse caualties then in Iraq. The Soviets had over 15,000 KIA in 10 years, the place is a real clusterfug. Politically, Bush was basically a moderate to liberal in my opinion. He'll probably wind up somewhere around Clinton on the ratings scale. Most liberals would never admit that he spent more money on Africa then anyone in history, as far as I know he never did anything to the Unions from a legal or Law point of view. Recently he gave out 17 billion to save jobs. Why the libs and Bush derrangers hate this guy doesnt make sense. From a conserve point of view except pro life, & military he really wasnt a conserve. Now we have a socialist coming in, and thats a nightmare for most conservatives. Lets see where Obama stands in history 4/8 years from now. In an ironic twist, thru the State of Fl, Ive been able to help out many habitat houses on the septic side, one of Carter's legacies on the positive side.
 

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Frank, I;m a "young" 45.. I do remember Carter. I'm just saying that there are a whole lot more people in the world today, more politically active, and many many more that have been effected by Bush's " efforts" for lack of a better word.
Carters legacy has been forgiven, probably because if his efforts AFTER his presidency.

In a world of " What have you done for me lately?" it'll take many many years for people to forgive GW.
 

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I guess it will take 10-20 years to figure out how bad / good Bush really was-----I am pretty sure Obama will be worse for this country then Bush ever was. He has already split the country more then any other Pres and now is back sliding on issues before he is in office.....gotta love a man of his word??
 

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In SW Florida much of the industry is construction. Prior to 2007, the industry went nuts, literally crazy. Most people accept here what goes up comes down. Bush isnt seen as the devil here as in SE Fl, look at the imported population as an example. Many people in the SW region are from the midwest, esp the auto builder area, and are pee'd at the companies themselves, they dont blame Bush for the product, the Bush derrangers will blame Bush for the poor product. They do blame Bush for the illegals problem, which BTW has lessened since the work has dropped.
 

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Did you say "illegals".....dont even get me started on that one. I work in D.C. and I can tell you that at least 65% od the construction work force is illegal.....right in our natios capitol...IT MAKES ME SICK!!!!!
 

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No, but I can by talking to them, or should I say "trying to talk to them".....stop by ANY conctruction site in DC and see if I am wrong. It is unsafe to have someone on a construction site that does not speak english, dont you think??? BTW...this is America, not Mexico.
 

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Unless you operate a cash business hiring illegals makes no sense.

I've worked construction a long time and rarely see a cash payment.
 

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Stop by American Univ. on the corner of New Mexico and Nebraska in NW DC and tell me I'm wrong.....I'll put my money where my mouth is. Any body up for the bet????
 

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I know first hand how they get around the whole thing. See there is a legal Latino who starts a business and it's all legit. He pays taxes, ins., bonds, and liscense. He then subs the work out to his illegal friends that are here for 11 months a year which makes them tax exempt. They get work visas but most don't have any paperwork at all. Seen it lived. The only place it is hard for them to work is on a military installation. They have certified pay roll not to mention it is a clearance issue.
 

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I know first hand how they get around the whole thing. See there is a legal Latino who starts a business and it's all legit. He pays taxes, ins., bonds, and liscense. He then subs the work out to his illegal friends that are here for 11 months a year which makes them tax exempt. They get work visas but most don't have any paperwork at all. Seen it lived. The only place it is hard for them to work is on a military installation. They have certified pay roll not to mention it is a clearance issue.
Illegals can come here and work for 11 months tax exempt? Why only 11 months?
 
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